Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:56 PM) If its a continued pattern of behavior, eventually you need to do something about it, especially if he went after a clubhouse attendant or someone like that. If he did something violent I would agree you have no choice, but that's apparently not the case.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:52 PM) Because he obviously acted like a f***ing baby, to which I ask- why the hell do you get so mad over anything uniform related? They could trot out there in pink and lavender and I wouldn't give a f*** as long as they win. I'm sure he overreacted and I'm sure they've swept incidents under the rug before, but now is not the time to let the cat out of the bag that Sale's anger problem is even worse than we all thought. Absolutely stupid decision IMO if you're serious about trading him.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:46 PM) About uniforms https://mobile.twitter.com/JulieDiCaro/stat...998668469858305 SMH...that's even f***ing worse. Why in god's name do you send him home over something like this? I get that he must have thrown a tantrum, but who the f*** cares. If you're sick of his behavior, then sweep this under the rug and deal him. I can't believe you'd actually come out publicly and announce your prized asset is a psychopath a week before the deadline.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:28 PM) Not sure if or how Kenny Williams was involved. Sale has had strained relations with #whitesox and things finally boiled over. https://twitter.com/jcrasnick/status/756994002780577794 Best case scenario right now is KW was involved and both were sent home, which explains the need for an investigation.

QUOTE (kapzk @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:11 PM) Questioning a poorly run organization as a player is not necessarily a red flag. We don't know if that's what happened. Using the word "investigation" is a bit scary and leaves a lot of room to the imagination.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 06:05 PM) The dudes a hot head. that's been known well before this. He was probably scratched and went all redneck when he was told. It's not a big deal. I'm just saying if I'm a GM about to give up one of the biggest packages in baseball history for a guy, I don't want any last second red flags that could cause me to question the deal.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 05:57 PM) This does not affect his trade value one iota. Um, it might be when you're talking about giving up five top prospects for a guy. A little concerning if the guy has clubhouse issues. Not saying Chris does, but there is nothing positive about this.

Not good news at all. Why in the world would you tell everyone you scratched a guy actively involved in trade talks due to some incident and are currently investigating. I see no good coming out of this.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 05:35 PM) This is definitely more exciting than watching their games, that's for sure. Just hope if they make this trade they don't blow it. If they are actually close to making a trade on July 23rd, that tells me they got an offer too good to pass up. Otherwise, you wait closed until the 1st, play teams off one another, and hope someone does something stupid.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 05:29 PM) Jon Morosi ‏@jonmorosi 9s10 seconds ago Chris Sale, scratched by #WhiteSox today, is not believed to be ill, according to two sources. Wow, this might just be happening.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 05:12 PM) Thing is...they can probably get Archer and not have to give up two IFers Archer's price will be nearly as insane. And honestly, a team like Tampa is going hard-pressed giving up an affordable ace (if you assume his just a down year) with five years of control given their financial situation.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 05:07 PM) Why? He should be making his next start for us...chances are he's not going to be traded Are they just going to skip his start altogether? I guess I was assuming he'd start tomorrow, but maybe you're right. There is still hope!

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 05:08 PM) Read the last article I posted. They really cant afford Sale without taking apart their lineup already riddled with injuries. Good thing we have a plethora of position players available as well.

For any of you with tickets to next Thursday's Cubs-Sox game, you're unlikely to see Sale starting. I'll be at that game and was looking forward to his start.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 04:53 PM) He has the Flu apparently QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 04:54 PM) Brian just said he has the flu supposedly I trust raBBit, but this info seems a bit fishy as well. Not sure what to believe anymore.

None of this s*** can be real right? Who are these guys exactly? And Fat Albers starting? Is that really the emergency starter at this point? It all seems fishy to me. I will say this, if they are at all close to dealing Sale, then you don't take a chance with him starting.

QUOTE (scs787 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) Robertson and Q for Moncada, Beinitendi, Swihart and lower level guys. Done. End rebuild. Sale-Shields-Rodon-Fulmer-Gonzalez C-Swihart 1B- Fraizer 2B- Moncada 3B- Lawrie SS- Anderson RF- Eaton CF- Beinitendi LF- Melky DH- Abreu Add to the bullpen. If it fails again, sell again. Did you just list a rotation with Shields as your #2 and say "done...end rebuild"? That rotation is a huge concern. Even if Rodon takes a step forward, there's no question Fulmer needs more seasoning if he's going to be a starter. And not sure Swihart can stick at catcher, I thought they moved him to the OF? While the offense could be much improved, it's just as possible that Moncada & Benintendi have rookie struggles. No offense, that team is unlikely to compete for a wild card in 2017 and then potentially lose Frazier, Melky, & Lawrie. I don't see how this plan works with Sale as good as gone come 2020.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 03:58 PM) I keep seeing people say that too but I have yet to see a proposal that actually covered all the holes within 2 years. The only option from my analysis is to spend an extra $50 million a season to sign a CF, C, DH and re-sign Frazier. Exactly. I'd be ok with "going for it" if Reinsdorf was willing to pony up the cash and there was enough talent in next year's free agent class, but the reality is such a plan will not and can not be executed. They'll spend their remaining minor league resources to get one named player and then dumpster dive to fill their remaining holes. It sounds like even Jerry realizes that's a plan destined for failure once again.

QUOTE (elrockinMT @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:19 PM) Trading our best in a complete rebuild is just going from one extreme to the other. I think there are some great moves that can be made and not tear up the team so we don't compete for several years Like what? Please elaborate.

QUOTE (dmbjeff @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:20 PM) If the asking price is 5 top prospects for Sale and 4 for Quintana, can you imagine what that does for the future. It totally changes the game for their current future projections. If they hold onto Sale and Quintana, they basically have a 1 year window(2017) to win. This would require throwing gobs of money at Encarnacion, Desmond, Ramos. This is clearly not a White Sox move. Then and only then could they possibly make the playoffs short term, and it may only be short term for that one season. 2018, Frazier, Melky, Lawrie all would be gone. Who would replace them? It would have to be even more money thrown at FA's or throwing money at those players. Again, not the White Sox MO. Trading everything away now and retooling and being ready for 2018 or 2019 is the way to go. I am convinced this is the best long term solution for them being a great team again. 2020-2025 would be some great baseball. I won't make fake lineups but imagine Moncada, Collins, Benitendi, De Leon and much much more playing at the Cell. Sale and Q's value are at all time highs now, now is the time to strike and rebuild. You then can get rid of all the other vet's and get good prospects for them as well. I'd say goodbye to Frazier, Melky, Lawrie, Duke, Robertson. Heck even Eaton and Abreu could go. I really hope Hahn does the right thing and fixes this mess that KW has created. Yes, this guy gets it. Don't pass on this opportunity Rick Hahn!

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 02:04 PM) Here. http://www.todaysknuckleball.com/knuckleba...-still-calling/ Get it done Hahn, don't settle for anything less than that...someone will eventually bite.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) Dombrowski would do a 1 for 1 deal in a heartbeat. No questions asked. Signing bonus is a sunk cost at this point, already paid and irrelevant to this. Exactly, the $60M should have no barring on this decision. Plus where does Moncada play? I'm pretty sure Pedroia is locked up until 2021 and Boegarts will be their SS for the foreseeable future. Maybe they could try him at 3B or LF, but those aren't huge areas of need for them. Getting a legit ace for the next 3 1/2 years makes them the team to beat in the AL. They would be scary good and their young core gives them plenty of time to allow the farm system to replenish. There's no doubt in my mind that Dombrowski would trade Moncada+ for Sale. The only question is how much is that plus and is it enough for the White Sox to bite.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 12:52 PM) I don't think Boston would give up Moncada for either. They spent $63 million signing him with bonus plus penalty. I find it hard to believe he would be available starlight up let alone in a package. Wow, you honestly think the Red Sox wouldn't trade Moncada straight up for Sale?

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:59 AM) I think the plan will be to trade Quintana and Robertson and a few others. I think that is the plan they will use and I think it is the better option than trading both pitchers. Trade them for what? How do you replace those two and fill the holes at CF, DH, & C and in our bullpen? And do you extend Frazier, Melky, & Lawire to big contracts? If not, how do you replace them after next season? There are simply too many question marks and you're hoping that all the players you receive for Quintana & Robertson work and fill all those holes instantly. That's a suckers bet IMO and no different than what we've been doing the past few years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 23, 2016 -> 11:22 AM) Calling it an "easy path" is clearly a fallacy. Instead of having known quantities, you have multiple unknown quantities that you need to all go right, in a really narrrow window of time. It is not "easy". Otherwise teams wouldn't routinely fail at it. For a competely modern version, ask the Twins how rebuilding is working as they are on to their 3rd GM and 2nd manager in recent years, and as bad as they have been in decades. When did I ever call rebuilding an "easy path"? I simply said there was no easy path to build around Sale in the next three years. I stand by that statement, our minor league system sucks and so do the next two free agent classes. There are definitely risks to rebuilding, but it provides a much greater probability of success than holding onto Sale & Quintana and eventually losing them for nothing.