Chicago White Sox

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 09:26 PM) New reports on the White Sox international signings are up at Baseball America: https://t.co/j98MbHQwa5 https://twitter.com/BenBadler/status/847133476637822976 Like all teams, #WhiteSox will attend Luis Robert's Thurs workout. Think they intend to be in mix no matter if he's in 6/15 class or 7/2. https://t.co/TULBZZl3ek https://twitter.com/CSNHayes/status/847266091982127105 The hype is real...

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) Oh its a hike to the Kave Is that the only place selling craft beers or will there be some individual stands?

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 08:52 AM) The list came out, and holy s*** its pretty good. Obviously some will not like it all, but there is a nice selection. I personally like thats its not all IPA-based. The pilsners are a nice selection of some of my favorites. Having Oberon is a win/win. I'm a huge Oberon fan, so that makes me pretty happy. Just hope you don't have to go on a hike to find it.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Mar 29, 2017 -> 10:18 AM) Dodgers seem content to hang onto their prospects right now Would a Bellinger, Alvarez and Verdugo package be enough? That would be an incredible package and one I don't see the Dodgers offering.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 07:43 PM) With the pitchers we already have in our system, I am OK building a deal without Martes, but then there has to be some quantity to make up for it. Theoretically, I could do a deal without Martes, but then you're talking about a 5 for 1 that included Tucker, Reed, Perez, Whitley, & another OF (Fisher, Hernandez, or Laureano). No way in hell the Astros would do that though.

QUOTE (Baron @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 05:01 PM) Right I'm just counting the Pirates completely out. Plus they just cant give away prospects. It's just gonna take a team like the Dodgers or a team like that for a trade to actually happen. I'm not holding my breath. I still think he's here beyond next offseason. Someone will budge at the deadline IMO. Astros may well reconsider if one or more of their guys underperform. Yankees could be players if they are in the wild card mix come June/July. I wouldn't rule out the Cubs or Dodgers if they have a big injury. Should be plenty of teams interested before the deadline and all it takes is one to panic for us to get a quality return. I do agree with you that they need move Quintana this season though.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 10:10 AM) The guy likes to golf. So do millions of Americans. Let him enjoy his four years. He won't be re-elected. Your trolling has reached pathetic levels.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 08:11 AM) I doubt the cash considerations will cover lunch. His defense has been slipping. He can't hit with power, doesn't hit for average, doesn't make much contact, doesn't get on base, and doesn't steal many bases. He was going to be a mediocre placeholder at best. Seriously, no one was giving up anything of value for this guy. This move is 100% about using playing time, which is an asset during a rebuild, on a player who actually has a non-zero chance of becoming part of the long term mix. Give May the CF job for now and see if Asche can develop into a useful bench piece. Bourjos's poor bat and detoriating defense wasn't going to offer us much.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 07:10 AM) So you would have cut him, but you are annoyed that the Sox traded him for cash considerations? People will literally complain about anything.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 11:15 PM) Liriano can't play CF. Leury is backup CF. Doesn't change much. Bench of: Sanchez, Leury, Soto, and Asche IMO. You're missing CF now that Tilson is injured, which means those four plus May now.

QUOTE (Superstar Lamar @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 01:14 PM) while the bats were in their pre arbitration years and out of necessity Didn't the Ricketts have to take on a bunch of new minority partners to support this new spending?

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 12:55 PM) Yes. It's crazy to expect a team that is slashing payroll, going into a total rebuild to bid on what many consider the second best international prospect in the world because it might cost them a 16 year old or 2 the next couple of years. Out of control expectation. I actually think it's lunacy to just expect the same old White Sox. We've gone in a completely direction and the way our front office operates will be different as a result. We literally just traded two cost-controlled stars in one offseason, something that our organization has never done before. Now that our short-term goal is talent accumulation and not winning, it's crazy to think they won't change their ways. And that may mean going over their international budget for the first time, which Hahn has clearly stated is something they are considering.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) Doesn't seem like the White Sox thing either. Rebuilding doesn't seem like a White Sox thing either, but clearly that's happening. I don't think you can simply assume the way we've operated in the past in indicative of how we'll operate in the future.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 09:40 AM) Capable? Sure. But they just don't historically outbid everyone for players. Even a guy like Abreu had an element of fluke to him. None of the top payroll teams had a place for Jose to play, which left the White Sox as a tall midget. They made a bid on Soler, but were significantly outbid by the Cubs. That is much more typical of the White Sox in the open market. They come in second much more often than they come in first. But none of the top payroll teams can sign Robert. It's very similar to the Abreu situation. If it's us against the Padres, I'll take my chances that we can win the bidding war. To bmags point, the Padres have already spent a f***ton of money on international free agents in the last 12 months. At some point they'll run out of cash, whereas we have spent very little in this area.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 27, 2017 -> 08:46 AM) Yes, there are some of the bigger spenders are out either way. It all depends on what he gets. If he gets what Moncada got, $30 million plus $30 million penalty, I'd be shocked the Sox won the bidding. But Boston can't offer that. Who can? If he is as good as many think, he fits in perfectly with any team, and is exactly the type of player the White Sox are looking to add. Acquiring him is like having an extra #1/1 pick in the draft or an extra ace to trade. Wasn't Maitan considered the top prospect in this past year's class and he only got $4.25M? Obviously Robert is a different situation given his age and proximity to the majors, but I don't see him getting anything close to Moncada money.

QUOTE (oldsox @ Mar 26, 2017 -> 09:58 PM) Who has seen Moncada up close? Does he look overweight? I hope he doesn't room with Courtney Hawkins. He looked jacked as f*** at SoxFest.

QUOTE (Al Lopez's Ghost @ Mar 26, 2017 -> 09:16 PM) I'd like to see them roll the dice on as many unproven youngsters (rather than proven mediocrity) as possible. Meaning May over Burgeous, Delmonico over Davidson, Hayes over Leury Garcia (not exactly a pair, I know, but I'm talking roster spot in this case), etc. Rebuilding time is the time to find out what you have as much as possible. I think Delmonico is better off getting a couple months in Charlotte, but overall I agree with what you're saying. Just don't want to rush guys either.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Mar 26, 2017 -> 08:23 PM) yea, give Davidson a few more months...no harm. It also allows Delmonico to play every day and get his defense squared away. I don't see much purpose for Bourjos on the team; but no big deal. If May plays well in AAA for a month or 2, they can boot Boujos. Bourjos is fine as a 4th OF, but I would hate to waste everyday at-bats on him. The more I think about it, the more I'm willing to roll the dice on May in CF for a month. Probably would end up being a failed experiment, but May is such a fringey prospect to begin with that I see nothing to lose by trying at least.

Roberto Pena with a walk-off hit! Sox win 4-3!

Sox down 2-3 in bottom of the 9th. Basabe just laid down a perfect bunt to move the tieing & go-ahead runs to 2nd & 3rd.

I'm starting to think May makes this team as the starting CF until Tilson gets back.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 25, 2017 -> 03:58 PM) Unlike Obama he is working for the people getting s*** done, maybe grabbing a few p*****s. POTY.

QUOTE (Soha @ Mar 25, 2017 -> 03:58 PM) The Sox got Giolito in part because word was all around baseball that the Nats were down on Giolito. That his stock is down from it's peak was part of the trade - not a sudden tough break for the White Sox. To me Lopez is the biggest piece of the deal, but I still feel really good about Giolito and his future. It might take a few years. Maybe he won't be a #1. Heck maybe he'll end up in the pen. That doesn't mean he won't be darn good someday. QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Mar 25, 2017 -> 04:26 PM) Everyone also seems to forget about Dunning. The Sox were very high on him and were looking at him for the second round before the Nets took him. If Lopez turns into a #2-3, Dunning a #5, and Giolito a high-leverage reliever, I don't see how people can't call that a win. These are great posts. Giolito doesn't have to be an ace for this deal to be a win for us. The key IMO is to get at least one #2/#3 caliber starter out of this plus a back of the rotation type or a high leverage reliever. Anything more than that is just a bonus IMO.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Mar 25, 2017 -> 03:28 PM) Spring Training stats are meaningless, but not all aspects of Spring Training are. It is absolutely noteworthy and concerning that his velocity is down 4 MPH from where it was 2 years ago. https://twitter.com/jeffwzimmerman/status/842095102801674241 I'm no expert, but I'm not sure comparing someone's velocity in spring training to their velocity during the middle of the regular season is very fair.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Mar 25, 2017 -> 09:24 AM) The July 2 thing had to be about Robert I would think. You can't go over anymore when the next period begins as far as I know. Here's the full quote from Hahn: It's painfully obvious IMO he's talking about Robert. Obviously I can't say they will land him with any certainty, but I'm very confident they will be one of the most aggressive teams in pursuing him. We have to be sitting on some cash and aren't linked to any of the top guys in the 2017-18 signing class. Throw in the Badler comment and it should be easy to connect the dots here.