Chicago White Sox

How drunk are you? That's from when took the job of being Buddy Bell's assistant.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 6, 2011 -> 01:35 AM) So you guys get your wish. I won't bury him. I hope he succeeds. He's one of the top managerial prospects in the game if not #1. Given the direction of the team, hiring a first-time manager probably makes the most sense. What is your problem with Martinez? Does he not make enough funnies for you?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 11:43 PM) OK so he'll be batting sixth? Would that be much better? I don't think I'd still be on this board w/out suspension calling somebody a f***ing idiot. Could you edit that? That's not right. He's not a f***ing idiot IMO. He quit on the team?? Cmon. I think you are way off base. The new manager will succeed if the players hit the ball, catch it and pitch it well. Greg, Ozzie is an idiot. Outs are the most precious asset in a baseball game and Ozzie gave them like it was no big deal and rarely for any benefit. His decisions put our team at a huge disadvantage on a daily basis. Refusing to use even basic stats and actually being proud of not using them is proof that he's a complete moron. How can you support a manager in this day and age not be aware of splits? How can one manage a team and not realize that Will Ohman is a f***ing loogy and there's years worth of data to prove it. And on top of it all he's a complete hypocritical coward. He has this Tony Montana tough guy vibe, but the only individual he had the balls to call out was his rookie RF, who clearly not part of the problem. Yes, he did make a jab about Rios, whose lazy play was killing, but he was back in the lineup in a day or two. As for him "not quitting", where was he those last two days and why was Don Cooper managing? Ozzie was under contract next year because he b****ed so much Reinsdorf was forced to pick it up. Then the f***ing coward didn't have the dignity to honor it. Plain and simple he quit on the team. In fact, he quit on the team when he decided the best time to ask for an extension was heading into a pivotal series against Detroit. And on top of it all, he has the nerve to call his team "quitters" and then doesn't show up to the park the last two games because he had already quit to join another team. How can you deny all this?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 10:55 PM) I can't believe grown adults, people I respect on here, still think that Ozzie should have benched Rios and Dunn. It slays me. You are gonna be just as frustrated with the new manager when he plays guys who make the loot. But a new manager won't be batting a guy hitting .160 cleanup in August. Greg, why can't you admit Guillen is a terrible manager and a coward? He quit on your favorite team and you can't stop throwing him compliments. He's a f***ing idiot and deep down you know it. One day you'll realize this, most likely next season when the new manager does something smart like look at basic stats or put his players in their best places to succeed. Hopefully this new manager will also drop some quotables so we're all happy.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:54 PM) Wait, What kids, all the prospects have been traded away for old piles of crap. But, I'm sure that's Ozzie's fault too huh? No, but it's Ozzie's fault that he's a stupid, arrogant p****.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:51 PM) How well that worked in the last 5 years.. How about they spend on the draft for once? Draft wisely... and build from within. How many big free agent signings have we had in the last five years other than Dunn?

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 08:45 PM) Not winning the World Series, is failure. How is Kenny's built ball-clubs.. Ozzie's fault? The only time the Sox were successful, Kenny listened to Ozzie.. Are you suggesting that Ozzie told Kenny to acquire Iguchi, A.J., Dye, Everett, Uribe, Harris, Blum, Widger, Ozuna, Jenks, Hermanson, Politte, Cotts, Marte, Vizcaino, Shingo, El Duque, and Contreras? Did he have KW draft, develop, and/or call up Beurhle, Garland, Rowand, Crede, and McCarthy? He clearly had nothing to do with Konerko or Thomas. That leaves Podsednik, Garcia, and maybe Timo where Guillen POSSIBLY had some influence. If you want to attribute that roster to KW getting lucky that's one thing. But to even suggest that Ozzie had anything significant to do with its composition proves that you either know nothing about baseball or you just want to slob on Gullien's knob. In the future, please try to use some reason or logic in your posts or simply STFU.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 09:01 PM) I can't see Tampa letting Boston talk to Davey. Don't they have to if it's for a manager position or am I thinking of the NFL?

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 06:37 PM) If that is a plus about him or here.. I don't want him. There should be pressure to win every year.. ZERO tolerance for Failure. Define failure? Not making the playoffs? In the AL East, you can win 90 games and still not make the playoffs. If Martinez were to do something similar two years in a row, he'd probably be out of a job there. If you don't think job security comes into play with these decisions you are sadly mistaken. Also, if there was zero tolerance for failure, then Ozzie should have been fired years ago. I've never seen a Chicago team underachieve quite like the Sox have post 2005. Obviously you don't hold Ozzie to the same standards.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 06:37 PM) If that is a plus about him or here.. I don't want him. There should be pressure to win every year.. ZERO tolerance for Failure. Define failure? Not making the playoffs? In the AL East, you can win 90 games and still not make the playoffs. If Martinez were to do something similar two years in a row, he'd probably be out of a job there. If you don't think job security comes into play with these decisions you are sadly mistaken. Also, if there was zero tolerance for failure, then Ozzie should have been fired years ago. I've never seen a Chicago team underachieve quite like the Sox have post 2005. Obviously you don't hold Ozzie to the same standards.

QUOTE (Marty34 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 06:22 PM) Money will be the issue. If the Red Sox want him I don't see the Sox outbidding them. I don't think they need to. I think he'd take less from the White Sox. Also, the Red Sox need to settle their GM situation before they can hire a new manager. Do you really think he's going to pass on a offer from us while he waits to see if the Red Sox have interest? An offer could come very quickly from us and we aren't going him an unlimited amount of time to decide. Furthermore, I'm not entirely convinced he'd be willing to join a divisional rival. It's probably not an issue, but it could possibly break a tie if other factors are even.

QUOTE (DirtySox @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:57 PM) Martinez also has a son attending Northwestern I believe. That's also true...think he plays on one of their sports' teams too. Probably would be nice to watch some of his son's games.

QUOTE (VictoryMC98 @ Oct 4, 2011 -> 05:08 PM) I still think it is Alomar, I think Dave Martinez goes to Boston. Alomar needs some seasoning, and I don't see any other team offering him a gig. Martinez, price tag if the Red Sox get in the mix might be too high, for letting the kids play. Factors that you and others are overlooking: 1) Martinez's wife is from Chicago. 2) White Sox organization is extremely loyal and Martinez is familiar with it. 3) Knows Kenny Williams well from his playing days with the Expos, most likely wouldn't know his potential boss with the Cub or Red Sox quite as well. 4) Less pressure to win immediately with White Sox than with Red Sox and probably Cubs, which could be a nice perk for a first-time manager. 5) Position should be available quickly and before others. There's more than money at play and the Sox can offer things other teams can't.

QUOTE (GoodAsGould @ Oct 1, 2011 -> 09:42 AM) I'd decline option on Frasor and offer him and Buehrle arbitration. Frasor didn't impress me much the time he was here but I don't think he hurts us at all if he accepts and if not draft picks. Unfortunately, if we need to cut significant payroll, then Frasor is a luxury we can't afford. If he were to accept an arbitration offer, are there any restrictions on quickly you can move him afterwards?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:46 PM) Longoria is on a similar deal. Santos was one year away from arbitration, while Longoria was three. Regardless, the Longoria deal was the definition of steal, so if that is the most comparable then the Santos deal continues to look amazing.

Yeah, I'm not 100% sure how I feel about LaRussa, but these guys would probably be the four guys I'd want to interview if I was KW. Two experienced, expensive guys with great track records and two of the more promising managing prospects in the game. No matter what direction we end up going, I'm confident one of these guys would be the right man for the job.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 08:23 PM) Because Sergio Santos could get hurt tomorrow and retire with $8 million. Agreeing to three option years and foregoing two years of free agency seems a bit extreme for only $8 million in guaranteed money. Can you even think of a comparable deal? IMO, Hahn absolutely raped Santos' agent with this deal.

Why any player would accept a deal with three team options blows my mind. I love this deal for us.

QUOTE (thedoctor @ Sep 30, 2011 -> 04:39 PM) there has been some discussion that duncan will be done with baseball after this year. his wife is very ill. that said, i don't see larussa coming here. no special insight on that, just an opinion. Rogers was actually speculating that Duncan could join LaRussa as our bench coach.

Sounds like Martinez is probably on KW's short list. During his interview earlier today, KW said that it would take longer than a week to hire a new manager and alluded there may be a candidate on a potential playoff team that could delay his decision. Seems like Martinez is most likely that guy and I couldn't be happier. Honestly though, I'd be fine with Martinez or Alomar as our next manager. I also wouldn't mind Laker as our hitting coach and McEwing as our 3rd base coach, though I'm cool with whomever our new manager picks. I would love at least one coach to be hired from outside the organization and preferably that be our bench coach. I can't think of a name right now, but someone with past coaching experience would be nice.

Sounds like a 4 year extension for Cooper per the Score.

QUOTE (Milkman delivers @ Sep 3, 2011 -> 08:48 AM) I truly am getting tired of Reinsdorf sticking his nose in there so much. It seems like Williams has no power whatsoever. He is the General Manager. Let him make the decisions or just have JR become the GM himself. Well Kenny is as good as gone. If he doesn't even have the power to fire the hitting coach, despite numerous players performing well below expectations, then he's in a lot of trouble. Also, this pretty much cements the theory that KW can not fire Ozzie, but I think most of already came to that conclusion.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 04:39 PM) Great post. The bottom line is some people can't handle people who don't agree with them. That's fine with me. Ptatc had a good take on Oz IMO. Yes Ozzie is going to win big the rest of his career. Unfortunately it appears it won't be with the Sox. Dave Martinez lovers will find plenty to criticize once we are 30 or so games into the season. LaRussa ... we all know there will be plenty to criticize there. My guess is when you match up Ozzie with whomever replaces him ... Ozzie will have the better resume and the better future. Other than one year, Ozzie can't even win big here with more expensive and talented rosters than his divisional rivals most years. Since 2005, his teams have regularly underperformed. Why is he going to suddenly win big in Florida? I think being in the NL will help some, but he's going to make the same mistakes he's made here both off and on the field. The Marlins will have even less patience with him and once they let him go, that very well may be the end of his career as a MLB manager. What is it about this guy that has you completely blinded?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 2, 2011 -> 08:46 AM) Which means he is going to be one of your back ups. And lets face it, he is faster, runs the bases better, and is a much better defender that Milledge. Rios offers nothing offensively. There's nothing wrong with having Milledge around in the event we need a RH pinch hitter. And to be honest, I don't like Rios being used as a defensive replacement, at least not this year. Not only has his effort been terrible, but he just seems clueless out there as of late. With September callups, I'd most likely give him and Dunn permanent spots on the bench. Speaking of which, if the Sox somehow pull off a miracle and make the playoffs, does Dunn even make the roster? I think you'd have to be crazy to include him on there at this point. The question is would KW/Ozzie be willing to add more embarrassment to his already sensitive state.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Sep 1, 2011 -> 11:01 PM) Hopefully 20 more years. The guy speaks the truth and people blast him. Some of you won't be happy until we get a grumpy ol manager like Ned Yost who won't say anything except "we take them one game at a time." Then you'll all be happy I guess. I applaud anything negative Ozzie has to say about these losers. You think talk means anything to these millionaires? They just go out and play every day. This Sox team doesn't deserve any long Ozzie speech about how we are still in the race, we can beat Detroit, blah blah. I love his colorful comments. They are way better than the cliches the rest of the managers spout daily. Detroit is not going to be any more fired up against us because of anything the Sox say. If the Sox hit home runs and pitch well they will win. If they do not hit home runs they will lose. And some of you really are gonna be mad cause look for Flowers to sit soon and look for DeAza to be sitting as well. How can you applaud Ozzie for criticizing these "losers" yet you don't mind him batting the biggest loser of all in the cleanup spot during the most important stretch of the season? As usual, Ozzie says some big words but does s*** to back them up. I'm honestly convinced you don't care about winning as long as Ozzie provides you with some amusing "quotes".