Chicago White Sox

You do realize that we had 1st, 2nd, & 3rd round picks most years right? How did all those guys do under Getz’s watch?

Gun to head…I think a Cease to the Braves trade is probably close. If not, then I think they have their doubts on Stassi for some reason now.

The Twins’ run differential was only 10 worse than the Orioles last year

Easily Benintendi IMO

What’s your beef with Statcast out of curiosity? Their catching metrics seem to be pretty objective.

Other than we could spending the money on better flip candidates?

I don’t disagree, but check out Stassi’s 2022 season and Korey Lee in general…our catching situation is somewhere in between a complete wild card and a hot mess. I wouldn’t put much faith in Maldonado, but I wouldn’t be shocked if he were more productive than Stassi & Lee next year. I’m very curious about the money here. Anything above like $2M seems like really stupid spending.

Yeah, Stassi at the league minimum is worth a gamble even if you end up cutting him. Having said that, it does feel like #2 is playing some role here. And while I’m not against the right pitching heavy Cease trade, I hope it’s because we are getting legit stud arms and not settling for prospects with MOR ceilings.

I think this one of two things: Stassi is more of a wild card than many of us think and they won’t to rely on him heading into the season Dylan Cease is going to be traded for young, major league ready arms and there is no bandwidth for a developing game caller

Hopefully there is more activity this week than we’d otherwise expect. Boras in particular might have to make up for lost time with his pitchers. Unfortunately Getz will probably wait until after the Rose Bowl to get back into the swing of things.

Oh 100%. And guys are starting to get older. Joey Ortiz turns 26 in July! They don’t have to move him for Cease, but if Westburg is the guy they have pegged for 2B then trade Ortiz for something that can help you win now and use other guys as infield depth.

I’ve been discussing a potential Cease trade at Orioles Hangout for some time now. I think most over there, including Frobby, want to trade for a high-end starter and have the appetite from a prospect cost standpoint. There are a few posters there that truly overvalue their prospects through and one or two of them are very active posters, so it does skew the perception a bit. Ultimately this all comes down to Elias though. Beyond just Cease, I truly believe it’s critical they add another TOR type starter. Pitching is so volatile and the rotation thins out quickly after Bradish & Rodriguez. And while they did win 101 games last year, they greatly outproduced their run expectancy and that could be hard to replicate without Bautista. No doubt their younger guys could get better and offset that headwind, but I wouldn’t sit around passively if I were Elias and assume I’m guaranteed a playoff spot. If you aren’t adding to what you have, you are more likely getting worse. We saw that first hand here when Hahn continually refused to augment the core with actual impact talent.

@Kyyle23 - Not sure who best to go to on this, but I was over at Orioles Hangout earlier today and a couple posters mentioned trying to join Soxtalk but being unsuccessful. Anything special they need to do to join that I can share with them?

Jackson Holiday alone is worth more than Cease, so not even a remotely similar situation. But you keep saying this is a “bad strategy”…based on what exactly? This is negotiating 101 when you have a top asset with multiple interested parties.

For one year of a guy made of glass with a $25M salary.

What other options are there? And what are the current asking prices for these other options?

Which prospect in this proposal is in the same stratosphere as Holiday? I’ll hang up and listen.

I mean, do you actually feel the rumored ask from the Reds is 4x what the likely return would be?

This is the reality of negotiations though. If you are selling a prized asset, the “buy it now” price is going to be ridiculous until you get into a more formal bidding process and start receiving serious offers. As has been leaked to the media numerous times this off-season, Getz was waiting on Yamamoto and the other high-end free agent SPs (Snell, Montgomery) to come off the board first before accelerating trade discussions. The price will certainly come down as real bids comes in and both sides gradually work to some sort of compromise.

Who is saying the owners are broke? You just cited Forbes data to prove some point but are upset when it shows the average operating profit for each club last year was only $18M? You can’t have it both ways. Regarding the Braves, what broadcast revenue is being ignored in their profit numbers and what are these untaxed capital gains that they would have? As for the White Sox and the growing in valuation of the franchise, what would $19M invested in the S&P be worth today? And how does an increase in equity value help increase their operating cash flow?

My point is Getz’s record as Farm Director is poor at best while you’re giving him credit because Hahn acquired a bunch of elite prospects who came up with significant development required. I guess I’m confused on what you’re actually arguing here.

Cease struggled for a couple years when he first came up and still needed a lot of work. Giolito was terrible and had to go outside the org for help. Kopech has been a massive disappointment despite having an insane about of talent. Lopez was also a huge disappointment before Katz helped turn him into a solid reliever. If these are your examples of Getz being successful at his job, then I think it proves he wasn’t very good at it.

You’re giving Getz credit for partially developing a bunch of elite prospects?

Why are we to believe KW was the problem and Hahn was just the poor victim? Last I checked, KW’s record as GM blows Hahn’s out of the water.