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Hard pass for me…I’d hold onto the deadline if that’s the best I could do

This still not official yet? Want to see how the vesting option works. Also curious who gets DFA’d as a result.

Getz needs to find a better insider to help create leverage…Morosi seems to be in a bit over his head this off-season

Montas took them out of the Cease market.

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Balta believes he’s worth one backend top 100 prospect (50 FV guy) and some filler…maybe.

I think it’s worth pointing out that the majority of Orioles fans would do a Cowser + Ortiz package for Cease. This may not fully meet our fandom’s desires, but it does represent one consensus top 50 prospect (most would have him as a 55 FV guy) and one consensus top 100 prospect (50 FV guy). And while a bunch of message board posters aren’t ultimately agreeing to a trade, it does suggest an acknowledgement of value that Cease has which Balta & Aly refuse to accept. Fans almost always overrate their prospects is the key point, which is a great point because it means a savage OF + infield prospect + lesser 3rd piece framework is likely possible, but will require both sides to come to a compromise. My guess is Getz is still asking for four pieces (and legit ones) while Elias is reluctant to give up a SP prospect at this time. Hopefully push comes to shove at some point and Covich is agreed upon as a third piece. A Cease to Baltimore trade just makes too much sense for both sides.

Penix > Fields

Now arrested

I’m not comfortable at all waiting to the deadline. If all offers are crap, then you really have no choice, but waiting on perfection is a really bad idea IMO.

Choose your fighter! Player A: 3.8 fWAR 3.82 xERA 2nd in Stuff+ ~31% slider usage 36.4% Whiff % on slider 27th percentile HH % 4th in AL Cy Young votes Best season in entire career Guaranteed TOR starter Player B: 3.7 fWAR 4.07 xERA 5th in Stuff+ ~39% slider usage 43.3% Whiff % on slider 32nd percentile HH % No Cy Young votes received Worst season since 2020 Javy Vasquez esque starter

Pessimismus aeternus regnat

He just started a throwing program and the goal is for him to be fully healthy by the start of the season

Based on an old Fangraphs assessment, a low end 50 FV prospect is probably worth about $20M.

Him landing with the Angels would be amazing

It’s wild how badly the Yankees & Red Sox need more SP. Need Snell & Montgomery to find homes outside the AL East.

Looks like Getz will need to put the AL East teams against one another with the Braves & Reds likely out now.

Wow wow wow

I’d imagine they’d want to give Bannister a shot at unlocking Kopech as a starter before moving him back to the bullpen.

Remilard for sure. No idea why he’s still around, but can’t carry all these IFs. Realistically we should try to trade Perez if we believe Stassi is going to make the major league roster. Lee and Hackenberg should get the starts in AAA at this point IMO and that sort of leaves Perez as the odd man out even if he clears waivers.

That’s a big contract all things considered.

Where did Kopech go?

That comment wasn’t directed at Orioles fans, but the broader baseball community. Given the lack of AL teams that are actually competing and the fact the Orioles are coming off 101 wins, I think there is a general belief the Orioles are all but promised a playoff spot next year (I have even seen Sox fans here say this). I just don’t think that’s the case if the Yankees return to form and in 2022 they had the second highest run differential in baseball.

The Hangout loves themselves some Povich. I figured he must of had Randy Johnson like stuff before I read Tony’s scouting report on him based on the way many of the posters over there were clutching on him (not you or Frobby).

You’re talking about certainty…the only thing certain about Ortiz is his glove (hence him having an all glove floor). There are no guarantees with his bat and I simply don’t buy him having this alleged elite bat speed when no other source has ever claimed this (to my knowledge at least). BA’s latest report calls his power “fringy” while also highlighting his strength gains and stronger offensive production last year. That doesn’t mean Ortiz won’t be a solid offensive player, but I’m certainly not going to bank on it happening. And as for the other players in question, I’ve read the scouting reports from BA, BP, MLB, Fangraphs, and Tony over at OH (who does a great job). I’ve looked at their numbers extensively. I really like Beavers as a prospect and would love to have him in a Cease deal, but he’s got tremendous bust potential like most prospects of his stature. And Povich is literally just a dude. I don’t necessarily prescribe to the TINSTAAPP theory, but for me to buy into a pitching prospect I either need to see elite stuff or strong results and he doesn’t check either box. Again, he’s a perfectly fine prospect, but 45 FV pitching prospects aren’t worth all that much. Also, not sure what 17 year old prospects you think we’re comparing these guys to either. We all understand the basic concept that results in the upper minors correlates better with major league success.