Chicago White Sox

Vaughn for Lux made you cringe?

Would you do Vaughn+ for Gallen? That’s the type arm I’d be looking for if I were to move Vaughn.

I’m ok trading Vaughn for a younger arm who could potentially breakout with us, but we need a dude that can eat regular season innings. You don’t trade Vaughn a player that can’t help prior to October.

I think we could get Bassitt without him for sure. The other guys not so much.

Your plan is to trade Vaughn for a guy coming off TJS in hopes he will be a weapon in the playoffs and bank on getting enough innings from Kopech, Keuchel, & Lopez in the #4 & #5 spots (without Dallas pitching enough for his option to vest) to actually get there? Doesn’t make a ton of sense to me.

Why trade Vaughn for arm that will be at best limited in its ability help us this year?

Vaughn would be a massive overpay for one year of Bassitt. Honestly, not sure I’d be overly excited to give up Vaughn+ for two years of Gray or Castillo.

I’d be 100% cool with that if that means Vaughn is trading for a legit TOR starter. Just not sure who fits that bill.

Exactly. He’s a perfectly fine ball player and brings some attributes, but that 50% ground-ball rate and limited power aren’t what we need at this point in time from the 9 hole.

Taylor is a better player who could be used primarily at 2B. And Escobar put up more fWAR than Segura did last year, so I’d say they’re particularly close at a minimum.

But significantly less defensive utility. Conforto just makes too much sense for us IMO.

Unpopular take, but I think Eloy has a higher defensive ceiling than Vaughn, but a much lower floor and is a risk to himself if he doesn’t radically change how he handles plays around the outfield walls and sidelines.

Lol…we are clearing doing the exact same thing at the same exact time this morning.

Jesse Rogers on the White Sox Talk Podcast said he thinks the Sox are “closer to pushing all in” than they have been in the past decade. Pointed out adding a big left-handed bat is a huge priority with Schwarber & Conforto guys he’s heard they are exploring. Also said they will certainly address 2B (exploring many options), SP (hasn’t heard them connected to the top free agents), and RP (threw out bringing back Tepera as a possibility). Didn’t rule out Semien at 2B, but feels it’s unlikely given him being RH (acknowledged he does hit RHP) and what should be a substantial price point. He pointed to Escobar being the more logical solution via free agency if adding a big LH bat elsewhere. Chuck then threw out the Kimbrel for Segura hypothetical and Rogers didn’t completely rule it out, but didn’t feel like it was something the Sox would aggressively pursue.

Fully agree, but Sox leaked out their “interest” in Semien and not Conforto. Just pointing out that’s likely misdirection and I would assume Conforto is the priority.

I think they are aiming higher than Matz for rotation help.

Exactly. The Mets aren’t some small market team and they weren’t the incumbent. They did not deserve a right to match and shouldn’t have banked on one if they really wanted Matz.

Fake Twitter insiders really pushing this Kimbrel for Segura narrative pretty hard. I really don’t see that happening unless they’ve added a left-handed RF already. If the Sox trade Kimbrel as their next move, I’d assume it’s for prospects and role players (lesser reliever, backup catcher, etc) and not a guy like Segura who will limit their flexibility going forward.

Dude is almost certainly a fraud, but I think he’s right on our interest in Conforto.

Nevermind:

@bmags - Who is he talking about by the way?

Cohen is pretty douchey.

For the people skeptical of Graveman, a couple things worth pointing out: The velocity of his sinker has jumped up ~3 MPH as a reliever He’s completely removed his cutter as @bmags alluded to He’s throwing a much different slider now (7 to 8 MPH harder) He’s utilizing this new, harder slider significantly more now He’s generating far more whiffs with this new, harder slider This harder slider has enhanced the value of his 96 MPH sinker To see just how nasty this sinker/slider combo is, take a look at the video below: Honestly, it’s pretty clear he’s a different pitcher now and I think he’s here to stay, even if there is going to be some regression on the ERA side of things.

This is mostly true on the MLBTR side of things, although DeSclafani & Graveman in below expectations in terms of AAV.

Severino & Sousa are also on the 40 man roster and we’re prioritized over Jace Fry for whatever that’s worth.