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QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 03:58 PM) That isn't enough. Need to add more. Maybe in a 3 team deal with Baltimore getting Floyd and giving up a top prospect plus another solid prospect. And of course Sox would probably include Addison Reed as well. Considering what they've turned down previously for Felix, I'd say our package would have to be, Reed, Viciedo, Q, and a pick of any guy or two they want that current plays for a minor league affiliate of ours.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 03:55 PM) I don't know where you get the looks like. I don't think the Sox are trading Floyd, unless it is for an impact starter who will replace him (and obviously Sox would also give up some other guys). It isn't like they are going to turn Floyd for prospects right now. That would be pretty foolish. Liriano does give the Sox the luxury to talk about moving Floyd for a non-starter though (again, I don't think they'd consider moving him for another other then an impact player or two). Would the Mariners consider trading Ackley, given his struggles this year? Ackley and League for Floyd and Beckham? I don't even think I'd do that...Ackley may be younger then Beckham but I'd considering that pretty much a wash and trading a year and half of a starter for half a year of a reliever?

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 03:50 PM) gavin floyd's name has come up in other #chisox talks. at the moment, they are the most interesting team. 3:46pm - 29 Jul 12 The one man rumor mill lives on! If Floyd is going somewhere it better be for a substantial piece back, I would be nervous with our current rotation minus Gavin. But who knows, the Liriano move could mean the Sox are offering Humber or Floyd to the highest bidder.

It is sounding more and more like it's not us, which is fine with me

QUOTE (SOXOBAMA @ Jul 29, 2012 -> 02:51 PM) Matthew Huck ‏@matthewhuck White Sox about to get Brandon League for a minor league outfielder I dont know if this is true or not When somebody asked for a source, he replied himself and that it "made sense." Doesn't mean it's not going to happen, but it sounds like speculation from him.

QUOTE (The Ultimate Champion @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 11:30 PM) So Mr. Floyd, it seems you're going to be the next hot topic round these here parts... What else is new? I feel like Floyd's been perpetually in a trade rumor since we signed him to that team friendly extension. It makes very little sense to trade Floyd with all the uncertainty of what Sale is going to provide down the stretch, the Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde of Humber and Liriano, and if Peavy can stay healthy. The only way I see us moving a starter is if we are 100 percent sure Danks is coming back this season and I think nobody is.

QUOTE (BlackBetsy @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 12:08 PM) I think the package that the A's got for Swisher (Gio 8.4 WAR, De Los Santos -0.3 WAR, and Sweeney 5.9 WAR Post-White Sox) is better than the package the Marlins got for Cabrera AND Dontrelle Willis (Andrew Miller -2.8 WAR, Badenhop 1.8 WAR, De La Cruz -0.9 WAR, Trahern 0.0 WAR, Rabelo -0.5 WAR and Maybin 6.6 WAR) Of course, at the time everybody thought Miller & Maybin would be All-Stars (Maybin actually had a pretty good season last year) so it doesn't look similar at the time. But the Sox prospects have had more major league value by a score of 14 WAR to 4.2 WAR. With hindsight, Florida would have to have taken the Sox package. Crazy to think about the impact Cabrera would of had if he would landed with the White Sox rather then the Tigers.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 28, 2012 -> 08:15 AM) Volquez is not available, supposedly. It's a bit of overkill to acquire League or Street when we already have Reed, Myers and Crain. Not to mention the fact that it looks like Street might stay put. Vargas is a possibility. I was rooting for Vargas...but then I saw his home run rate...not a match for us.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 04:00 PM) Zambrano's on the market...oh boy BUY BUY BUY! Oh wait, Ozzie's not our manager...never mind

QUOTE (TheCut87 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 03:05 PM) I was talking about taking a chance on him before the trade deadline ends i think if he is dealt it will be before the tuesday not during waiver period...if it is just fluid build up and the MRI was good to go, would KW trade for him now hoping this issue goes away in a week or two now knowing that he can get him possibly cheaper That's a good idea. Worth looking into, but I doubt Theo will let him go for cheap considering he can just wait until the off-season. Also, probably bad PR to get trade raped by the opposing Chicago team at your first deadline.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 11:10 AM) I personally trust KW, our scouts, player development, talent evaluators, etc we have in place with in the organization to make player decisions. They have had a damn good track record since Buddy Bell came in and our current ML roster shows that. With that said I also trust their assessment of a player when determining if he is replaceable going forward. Look at Sergio, people were flabergasted when KW traded him for nothing. And they guy hasn't pitched since April. Let them do their jobs. We have multiple closers on the team now and I trust them to find a replacement if need be for future years. Again do you want to take a chance and be a part of another deep run in October, see a trophy lifted in the middle of US Cellular field, a parade with 2 Mil people in the streets of Chicago. Or do you want to worry about what could happen next year and in 2018 next year. Cause the difference is, the Chicago Whitesox go for it, year in year out. The Chicago Cubs wait till next year and worry about next year in July. Me, I prefer to be a Sox fan. Go get em' Kenny, worry about next year in November with another ring on your finger. I think we already are "going for it" but trading for Peavy and Youkilis, signing Rios and Dunn, resigning Konerko and Danks, etc etc I could go on and on. That is going for it, not completely f'ing our future for a 3 month rental who doesn't seem to want anything to do with you. I understand he will pitch for whoever acquires him, but just realize after the season is over, he is gone and Reed is going to be the Brewers closer for the next 5.

QUOTE (GreatScott82 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:55 AM) Makes sense, the Brewers have major bullpen issues right now. Reed can fill a HUGE void for them longterm. I like Reed but if it means bringing a top notch starter to this team- DO IT! I disagree. 6 years of Reed closing for us is not worth 10 starts of Greinke who has publicly said he doesn't like our ballpark and didn't list the White Sox as a preferred team he'd like to end up with. Beyond that, by losing Reed we hurt our bullpen badly, so the advantage of acquiring Greinke is mitigated.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 10:37 AM) If the Sox traded huge pieces of their future for someone like Greinke for only and year and a half of his services, and then traded him away for an underachieving starting pitcher with one year left on his deal and an underachieving second baseman who's a possible non-tender candidate, I don't think anyone on here would be happy. This pretty much sums up my argument on why the Brewers would be ridiculed for getting Floyd and Beckham.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 09:17 AM) I understand your point, but he's not asking for prospects who are years away, he has been asking about guys who are pretty advanced. Mike Olt is 23 and mashing in AA, Julio Teheran and Delgado are in Triple A and the Majors respectively, Jean Segura and Garrett Richards of the Angels, guys that are going to contribute next year and be cheap and under team control for 6 years. Floyd is a good pitcher, don't get me wrong, but he's inconsistent and was made very available in the off-season and nobody traded for him. How has his value increased since then? Egg on my face if Floyd is dealt for Greinke, but I don't see the Brewers doing that. And I should add, I would be ecstatic if Floyd was the centerpiece of a Greinke deal, but as I said, I think the Brewers would be laughed at if that was their main return.

QUOTE (Melissa1334 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:48 AM) good post, i agree with all of it. melvin said he has no desire to move hart or aram so that tells me hes not looking to rebuild It's not rebuilding, it's reloading! Haha

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:46 AM) Again I disagree, if you're Houston, the Cubs, Miami, KC, Etc. You want a teams best prospects so you can build in the future. The difference is Melvin doesn't want to rebuild he wants to make trades to help the the team continue to win now and next year. He doesn't believe he needs to blow the thing up. Not to mention they have to keep the team competitive when you have Ryan Braun manning LF. IMO I think Melvin wants players back that have ML track records, players that help the ML team, and players he has control of. Yes TEX, ATL, LAA all have better farms but ultimately I think what brings ZG to us is our willingness to include the likes of Gavin and Gordon. I think that is why we saw LAA pull out last night, they have great prospects but backed off at the price. If the price was steep because of prospects involved the Sox wouldn't still be in the conversation at this point. I understand your point, but he's not asking for prospects who are years away, he has been asking about guys who are pretty advanced. Mike Olt is 23 and mashing in AA, Julio Teheran and Delgado are in Triple A and the Majors respectively, Jean Segura and Garrett Richards of the Angels, guys that are going to contribute next year and be cheap and under team control for 6 years. Floyd is a good pitcher, don't get me wrong, but he's inconsistent and was made very available in the off-season and nobody traded for him. How has his value increased since then? Egg on my face if Floyd is dealt for Greinke, but I don't see the Brewers doing that.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:22 AM) IMO yes they have shown interest. I don't know for sure about right bow. But a year or so ago the Brewers wanted Floyd+Beckham+ Spects for Prince Fielder. They have been known to have an interest in both players in previous years. I would assume they internally want to turn GB back into a SS, and like Floyds stuff in the NL. I also think Melvin is interested in ML ready players in exchange. People he can plug in and know what he is getting, instead of gambling on a teams prospects who are great minor players. I think that type of package may be a backup plan for Melvin, but I can promise you if the Braves include some of their pitching prospects, or Texas agrees to include Olt, they aren't passing up on that.

QUOTE (pittshoganerkoff @ Jul 27, 2012 -> 08:00 AM) I like the idea of Floyd/Beckham for Grienke/Weeks. I don't think it's enough though. The Sox would have to give up something else. I know Floyd is the popular name to throw around as far as trade rumors go, but has Milwaukee shown any indication of wanting him? Everyone they've asked for is a top prospect, not Floyd/Beckham who are underachieving major leaguers who are probably never going to hit their expected potential. If this deal goes down for the Sox, expect it to be guys like Keenyn Walker, Trayce Thompson, Scott Snodgress, and a young valuable big leaguer like Quintana, Jones, Reed or Viciedo. Those guys have lots of team control, actually have potential and are cheap.

QUOTE (justBLAZE @ Jun 24, 2012 -> 03:47 PM) So Zach Stewart scratched.. YES PLEASE

QUOTE (God Loves The Infantry @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:31 PM) I think it's time for Lillibridge to find work elsewhere. Total waste of a roster spot. And to think that, according to a random Jon Heyman tweet, the Mariners wanted to pay dearly for him in the off-season and we wouldn't part with him. Classic sell high situation

Why?? Why are we trying to steal 2nd down by 2?? Especially with Lilli, he couldn't steal a base if he had a ski mask and a glock

f***ing Rios. Should be two errors, one to drop, another to allow him to advance to 2nd

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:20 PM) Sure but the people who want a full rebuild make me laugh. They have no time table and no idea what damage it will do to the franchise. Exactly. We are not the Cubs, our fan base would not financially support a completely rebuilding team.

QUOTE (Baron @ Jun 6, 2012 -> 09:17 PM) I laugh at those people anyway. No idea what they were getting into. I wouldn't mind shedding dead weight if we are completely out of it, but we actually have a fairly young roster.

Crain's stuff is filthy tonight. I wish he was protecting a lead