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No DeMar or Zach and the Bulls beat Milwaukee with 8 guys in double figures, P-Will animated, Vuc going off, and 32 assists (they average 22). Man, they should have traded those two when they still high value.

That's former 2018 #7 overall draft pick Adam Haseley and assassin of Danny Mendick, mind you.

Unless the Rangers give up Carter, such a deal would kill @SoCalChiSox

To keep us from spinning in circles, who are some teams we'd like to see jump in if things go poorly for them at the Winter Meetings? Padres, Red Sox?

Let's make it fun and have it happen during the draft lottery for no discernable reason.

There's also a pretty decent chance that if Romy gets cut the Sox can re-sign him to a minor league deal once you bring his health issues into consideration. On the other hand, players may attempt to flee the org.

My man.

Double Kjerstad, fwiw

Cause if you a set a price and a team pays it, you take it. Just make sure it's a good price.

Packaging bad deals with Robert while already slashing payroll would actually be the death knell for the franchise.

I don't think any team that can afford Robert's price would want to pay that price

Imagine the savings we could get with Danny Duffy and Brad Keller!

Ok, ignore my above post because I definitely misread you after prior posters arguing that Cease isn't even that.

But what team is he a number 3 on other than like, the Phillies (Wheeler and Nola) and let's say...Seattle? Maybe Houston if Verlander stays strong and Tampa if they keep Glasnow (so, likely not), but after that, there's not much argument for Cease being a #3.

If there are 60 starting pitchers better than Dylan Cease in MLB, than the talent level in the league is absurd. I'm basically arguing against the notion that he's not a top of the rotation starter. Even in his "down" season last year, he was 18th in fWAR, ahead of Burnes, Verlander, and Castillo.

The hill that Cease isn't a top of the rotation starter, since 2021: 8th in fWAR 1st in games started 4th in K/9 22nd in FIP - so it could be better, but Snell is 21st and Gallen is 23rd 15th in wins, despite being on the Sox 20th in HR/9, ahead of Gallen, Rodon, Montgomery, Ohtani, etc. and just behind Bieber at 19th.

the b in bWAR stands for Baseball-Reference the f in fWAR stands for FanGraphs They calculate them slightly differently. FanGraphs uses FIP whereas BR uses RA9, so FanGraphs isn't gonna penalize a pitcher for some horrendous fielding.

I'm highlighting the Hostetler part. Look man, Burger is the ultimate feel good story, but he wasn't the #1 college bat. You're already walking back from "top..#3 at worst" to "top 3-5." There's no point retroactively making the Sox a worse franchise, because they're already horrendous. And if you leave the things that they actually did right in - such as taking Burger higher than expected - then it only serves to highlight their glaring flaws even more.

That's not necessarily a good thing.

Maybe the top power, but Adam Haseley was placed above him (and picked above him). Same for Pavin Smith. And Keston Hiura. McKay was a two-way player, but same deal. Like, Burger was very much not the #1 bat in that draft and got mocked well below where the Sox took him. There's no need to rewrite history because he had a great 2023 and the Sox traded him.

Boy that's a lot of old minor leaguers for Cease.

If they won the wild card series, we'd get a Leury/TLR statue in front of the 2005 statue.

If it was a grand slam, there'd already be a Leury Statue on the concourse.

I live and die by the word of Orlando

If Getz' first big move as a GM is a trade with the Cubs, it has to be an immediate fleece or else Jerry might never let him live it down. Especially if it's Cease.