bmags Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 one of the better things BA does. Not an inspiring list for position players yet, but they always add more. https://www.baseballamerica.com/stories/mlb-rule-5-draft-preview-2023/ select snippets Quote Ryan Fernandez, RHP, Red Sox Few available Rule 5 pitchers can match Fernandez’s stuff. The righthander pairs a four-seam fastball at 94-96 mph touching 97 mph at peak with a cutter at 89-91 mph, a gyro slider in the upper-80s and a power curveball. Fernandez became more reliant on his cutter and fastball combination as 2023 progressed and the cutter became his primary pitch. Despite an inflated ERA, he struck out 25.2% of batters faced over 26 appearances in Triple-A. Fernandez has a checkered medical history that might scare some teams, but his outlier combination of velocity and feel for spin could be successful in a major league pen next season. Quote Tyler Owens, RHP, Braves A 13th round pick out of Trinity Catholic (Fla.) back in 2019, Owens is eligible for the Rule 5 draft for the first time. The undersized righty has worked in a variety of roles, but primarily as a reliever, collecting a trio of saves late in the season for Double-A Mississippi. Owens mixes an interesting trio of pitches in a mid-90s cut four-seam fastball, a mid-80s slider with sweep and a cutter in the low-90s. At 5-foot-10, Owens creates unique characteristics due to his height which allows his cut four-seam fastball to play up. He misses bats with his fastball and slider combination and has the power to handle middle relief innings. Based on performance, stuff and age, Owens is an interesting potential target. position player Quote Justin Dirden, OF, Astros Dirden was one of the breakout performers of 2022, going from a nondrafted free agent in 2020 to one of the 10 best prospects in the Astros system in 2022. But he struggled to a .231/.314/.396 line over 84 games in extended Triple-A action in 2023. Injuries may have played a factor. He hit .276/.345/.489 with 24 extra-base hits over his 58 games until a hamstring injury sent him to the injured list on June 23. Dirden returned on July 16, but hit just .126/.243/.179 over 26 games before returning to the IL on Aug. 30. While we don’t know how much the hamstring injury hampered Dirden, he clearly was not the same player upon returning. Dirden is an above-average athlete with the ability to play all three outfield positions. Prior to his injury Dirden was a .288/.380/.536 hitter with 48 home runs over 265 games. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WestEddy Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 23 hours ago, bmags said: Not an inspiring list for position players yet, but they always add more. The fact that nobody's talking about any White Sox makes me comfortable with our 40-man decisions. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 Sox have no slots open to draft somebody, right? They have really committed to some questionable AAAA bullpen arms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 1 hour ago, Timmy U said: Sox have no slots open to draft somebody, right? They have really committed to some questionable AAAA bullpen arms. Can we not draft someone, and then cut someone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 6 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Can we not draft someone, and then cut someone? You need open space on the 40-man prior. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 3 hours ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: Can we not draft someone, and then cut someone? Yeah you need to have an open slot prior to the draft. They could always DFA/trade someone ahead of it to free a spot of course. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliSoxFanViaSWside Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 I like Dirden. I'm sure between now and Dec 6 there will be a spot or 2 open on the 40. It's not exactly overflowing with talent . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sleepy Harold Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 Tanner Burns jumped out a bit to me when I first read the writeup, wouldn't mind plucking him away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 When is the deadline to drop players from your roster before the draft to enable participation? Per Scott Merkin’s article listing all prior selections, below is a list of prior selections who actually played for the Chicago White Sox. Hawk Harrelson’s selection of Bobby Bonilla represents the lone Rule 5 selection with a positive bWAR with the Sox. This was short lived, as Hawk returned him to Pittsburgh after the All Star Break for Jose DeLeon. Bobby earned 30.3 bWAR during his MLB career, and will continue to be paid by the Mets for another 12 years. Rule 5 Selections who played for the Chicago White Sox bWAR Player Sox Seasons 0.5 Bobby Bonilla 1986 0.0 Bill Moran 1974 -0.1 Angel Sanchez 2013 -0.3 Adrian Nieto 2014 -0.6 Jason Grilli 2004 -0.6 Bruce Kimm 1980 -2.9 Dylan Covey 2017 - 2019 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 Perhaps the Sox can claim 1-2 potential MLB Starting Pitchers or Swingmen. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/the-strength-of-the-2023-rule-5-draft-is-starting-pitching/ar-AA1keMsh Boston Angel Bastardo Boston Chih-Jung Liu Saint Louis Ian Bedell Seattle Taylor Dollard Tampa Bay Cole Wilcox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkokieSox Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 11 hours ago, South Side Hit Men said: Perhaps the Sox can claim 1-2 potential MLB Starting Pitchers or Swingmen. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/the-strength-of-the-2023-rule-5-draft-is-starting-pitching/ar-AA1keMsh Boston Angel Bastardo Boston Chih-Jung Liu Saint Louis Ian Bedell Seattle Taylor Dollard Tampa Bay Cole Wilcox Without researching the rest of the mentioned candidates listed, Cole Wilcox would be an attractive addition. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nrockway Posted November 26, 2023 Share Posted November 26, 2023 (edited) I'd be looking at the guys the Dodgers couldn't protect. Joel Ibarra comes to mind, great stuff but no control. Which other teams have loaded 40 man rosters, ie no space to protect guys? Edited November 26, 2023 by nrockway 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirmin' for Yermin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 I totally want to take Kristian Robinson in the draft. Former top 30 prospect (with helium) then had visa or some other issue for like 2-3 years. Came back last year and was pretty good after 3 years off. Get him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I totally want to take Kristian Robinson in the draft. Former top 30 prospect (with helium) then had visa or some other issue for like 2-3 years. Came back last year and was pretty good after 3 years off. Get him. Please clear some 40-man spaaaaace for someone. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 33 minutes ago, Squirmin' for Yermin said: I totally want to take Kristian Robinson in the draft. Former top 30 prospect (with helium) then had visa or some other issue for like 2-3 years. Came back last year and was pretty good after 3 years off. Get him. Just looked into him. Interesting option to at least stash on the bench since he hits right-handed (since they should have a left-handed hitter in left and right). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 16 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: Please clear some 40-man spaaaaace for someone. Player (2024 Age; career MLB bWAR) Zach Remillard (30; 0.1) Gavin Sheets (28, -1.5) Declan Cronin (26, -0.4) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 1 minute ago, South Side Hit Men said: Player (2024 Age; career MLB bWAR) Zach Remillard (30; 0.1) Gavin Sheets (28, -1.5) Declan Cronin (26, -0.4) Shite, you can add Navarro, Padilla, Foster to the list of guys no one would care about if they were cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
South Side Hit Men Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Just now, Bob Sacamano said: Shite, you can add Navarro, Padilla, Foster to the list of guys no one would care about if they were cut. Oh, there are about 30 I wouldn't care that much, but would start with these three, see what happens in Arizona and to start the year in terms of who could be useful. Foster pitched well a few years ago, the other two are longer shots in the Declan bucket. Remillard is useful in the fact he can cover infield / outfield, but you can always sign him or a guy like him later. Love Sheets gone just so he's not an option, regardless what they do with Eloy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, South Side Hit Men said: Oh, there are about 30 I wouldn't care that much, but would start with these three, see what happens in Arizona and to start the year in terms of who could be useful. Foster pitched well a few years ago, the other two are longer shots in the Declan bucket. Remillard is useful in the fact he can cover infield / outfield, but you can always sign him or a guy like him later. Love Sheets gone just so he's not an option, regardless what they do with Eloy. They have a younger guy in Romy that already serves the same purpose of "26th man utility player." Foster, I figured, at the time, would have been non-tendered and signed to a minor league deal though. Edited November 30, 2023 by Bob Sacamano 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted November 30, 2023 Author Share Posted November 30, 2023 11 minutes ago, Bob Sacamano said: They have a younger guy in Romy that already serves the same purpose of "26th man utility player." Foster, I figured, at the time, would have been non-tendered and signed to a minor league deal though. I would cut Romy over Remillard. Remillard was more competent defensively, cosplayed as a baseball player more effectively, and is extremely available. I honestly don't recall remillard ever being gone for a long period of time. I was a big Romy booster, I wanted to see his power get a shot. But he's been unhealthy for years and doesn't have a defensive plus like Engel had to make it worthwhile. Does Remilliard need to be on the 40 though? no I don't really care I'm sure we can get him as an MILB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 There's also a pretty decent chance that if Romy gets cut the Sox can re-sign him to a minor league deal once you bring his health issues into consideration. On the other hand, players may attempt to flee the org. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, bmags said: I would cut Romy over Remillard. Remillard was more competent defensively, cosplayed as a baseball player more effectively, and is extremely available. I honestly don't recall remillard ever being gone for a long period of time. I was a big Romy booster, I wanted to see his power get a shot. But he's been unhealthy for years and doesn't have a defensive plus like Engel had to make it worthwhile. Does Remilliard need to be on the 40 though? no I don't really care I'm sure we can get him as an MILB. Either way, don’t need both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wegner Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/26/2023 at 1:37 AM, South Side Hit Men said: Perhaps the Sox can claim 1-2 potential MLB Starting Pitchers or Swingmen. https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/mlb/the-strength-of-the-2023-rule-5-draft-is-starting-pitching/ar-AA1keMsh Boston Angel Bastardo Boston Chih-Jung Liu Saint Louis Ian Bedell Seattle Taylor Dollard Tampa Bay Cole Wilcox Our bullpen should probably suck anyways so we should be able to hide 1 or 2 guys there for the season. Plenty of room in the rotation too if someone picked up in rule 5 has a great spring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timmy U Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 8 hours ago, bmags said: I would cut Romy over Remillard. Remillard was more competent defensively, cosplayed as a baseball player more effectively, and is extremely available. I honestly don't recall remillard ever being gone for a long period of time. I was a big Romy booster, I wanted to see his power get a shot. But he's been unhealthy for years and doesn't have a defensive plus like Engel had to make it worthwhile. Does Remilliard need to be on the 40 though? no I don't really care I'm sure we can get him as an MILB. Romy is a plus defensive 2b. Much better over there than Remillard. That said, I would be fine releasing either of them or both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PolishPrince34 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Guarantee Remilard will be a coach in the White Sox organization once he hangs them up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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