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QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:10 AM) The Cubs also hit on a ridiculous number of draft picks. Nobody could have predicted they would all produce like they have. Couple that with a couple of miracle trades and you can win a title. I obviously used best case example, but the Astros botched a number of picks are in a much better place than before.

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:54 AM) Rosenthals new column says Nats not interested in Q Well, they can be dumb if they want.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 02:19 AM) I am disappointed that Hahn did not hold out to get Benintendi wih Moncada. Oh well.. The plan to do a tear down may not be that simple to execute with teams holding on to their best prospects.. Other than Quintana and possibly Frazier , the Sox don't have players that could be traded for elite prospects. So where will that leave us? Perpetually mired in mediocrity? Eaton, Jones.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:19 AM) So he's not perfect, shoot him. Again, what did he do that was so bad?? Why would you back the front office, our inept front office on the uniform issue? As far as your final line of the post ... I stand by my statement. I don't want Chris Sale throwing one baseball in a uniform he is totally uncomfortable in. I guess some fans wanted him to go out there like a good soldier and get shelled or walk six guys in a row and get taken out. It's OK to criticize management once in a while, Quinarvy. Our front office has a horrific record right now. I mean how can you defend an organization that thought it a good idea to have Ventura manage the team? We'll never even know if this team could have made the playoffs with a competent manager. The Sox have had some talent in the Ventura era. Probably not enough talent, but arguably enough talent to have made the playoffs a year or two. Yeah, Robin was awful and KW oversteps his bounds. One role where they failed as management was allowing Sale to be a petulant child and do whatever he wants. However, this thread is no place for that. Dude was great for the Sox, hopefully he'll get a ring with his new team. And hopefully Moncada and Kopech turn into Cano and Syndergaard

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:58 AM) This Chris Sale being a cancer talk is really wearing me out. The cutting up of the uniforms was no big deal, folks. It just wasn't. Who gives a f*** that he cut up uniforms, ugly embarrassing uniforms he DID NOT FEEL COMFORTABLE pitching in. People get on pitchers for needing Tommy John surgery. I don't want Sale out there pitching when he's uncomfortable. He warned the White Sox he wasn't gonna pitch in the uniform and the front office didn't care. So he tore up the unis. Good for him. What else did he do that was bad?? Not wanting to come out of games and yelling at Ventura a few times? There are a handful of pitchers in baseball who won't come out: Verlander, cough cough; others. Who gives a f*** if he yelled at Robin? Again Chris was right. Robin was the second worse manager in Sox history behind Bevington. he was an utter embarrassment. So why hate on Chris Sale??? These transgressions have been overblown. Because he's a grown man? And LMAO at you trying to say pitching in throwbacks would give him Tommy John surgery.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:54 AM) Some of us aren't looking forward to 4-5 years of being the worst team in baseball once the trades are made. The weird part is Moncada will be part of a horrible 1-4 seasons on the big league level. He'll be called up after eight weeks or so and be up for good. And we'll be in rebuild mode. That will be weird having him be part of the everyday lineup during 3-4 years of suckitude. Hope he doesn't mind losing while getting big league experience. Greg, it took three years of tearing it down for the Cubs to win it all. That's no guarantee for the Sox, but you do understand that rebuilding means get bad really fast, then rebound, right? The first year of tanking got them Kris Bryant, the next got them Schwarber.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 12:23 AM) And that is no fault of his. It's the fault of our front office and scouting departments and people who thought hiring Robin Ventura as manager was a good idea. Your post is kind of insulting to Sale. He's a World Series caliber player and it's not his fault our organization has been an utter joke since Ozzie's last year and a half. They were a joke at the end of Ozzie's tenure.

QUOTE (Deadpool @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 09:55 PM) It's so refreshing to be Mr. Positive here, now. Look, Moncada is going to give you some great moments. He's the best prospect in baseball. Can he flop? Sure. But there's a good chance he's going to be a very good piece for years to come. Damnit, stop breaking the fourth wall.

So, apparently no #1 prospect has ever been traded before. http://m.mlb.com/news/article/159272618/da...ts-ever-traded/ Bill Barnwell ‏@billbarnwell 12h12 hours ago Just worried Chris Sale is going to see the Red Sox St. Patrick’s Day jersey and walk out, never to return

QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:35 PM) So looks like the Nats package was going to consist of Giolito, Robles and Lopez. I'll take the Red Sox package every time.

QUOTE (LittleHurt05 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:29 PM) I keep thinking about the Mariners. They have had their Hall of Fame starting pitcher for over 11 years. Zero playoff appearances. They keep trying to put together rosters around him and keep failing. Plus, we should have plenty of money to play with when Chris becomes a FA in three years.

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:00 PM) I think s*** will get done. Sale was the domino. Now they'll move Q and others. Q is very popular right now and I'd be stunned if he's still on the roster come Friday I'm honestly gonna be sadder to see Q go. God speed, Flying Serpent.

"comfortably between 96-100" Everything I read about Kopech tells me he's gonna be a great fit for Coop-Herm

What's making me comfortable with this deal is that a lot of the pundits love this deal for both sides.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 03:05 PM) Robertson @DRob30 value is rising with closer prices. Any of the Chapman/Jansen runnersup makes sense. Yanks like him. https://twitter.com/JonHeyman/status/806242638743699458 Yanks are exactly the team I want involved.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 06:17 PM) No way st Louis parts with that much for Eaton. I read a st Louis fan article that wouldn't part with weaver for Eaton and I laughed Bruh let me use my arbitrary math

Damn you Navarro.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) I'm totally against becoming a perennial last place team and with this trade, we are a last place AL Central team, for what could be a long time to come. Well, we were already there with Sale.

QUOTE (Jenksy Cat @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 05:53 PM) Slick Rick will get it done cmon. Q is just as valuable with the extra year. Entice em with a lil Eaton and Jones Eaton and Jones added in should get you anything less than Turner, Giolito, Robles, Fedde, Lopez and three fliers.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 05:50 PM) That was their Sale offer; won't make it for Quintana. Passan said teams are offering about 95% of the Sale deal for Q, so...

QUOTE (ChiSox1917 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:34 PM) Works for me. Now if we can get Robles in a Q deal along with Severino (who I like a lot more than most because of his defensive ability) we've got the middle of the field covered for the next 5-7 years Yeah, I need to see where Q goes now.

I'd need the Cards Top 5: Reyes (#7 MLB), Weaver (#81 MLB), Bader (#82 MLB), Flaherty (#4 STL) and Perez (#5 STL). If you do a reverse rankings formula of sorts where #1 = 100 points, Sale netted 170+ points (Moncada = worth 100, Kopech worth 70). The Cards deal above nets 130+ (Reyes 93, Weaver 19, Bader 18)

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:31 PM) Sox sale not done after Sale: 'If team interested in premium, controllable starting pitching we have others that fit description' sez Hahn. https://twitter.com/CST_soxvan/status/806263843299229696 James. Shields.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:20 PM) Sox likely won't be players in 2018, but come 2019 I could see a rebuilt team ready to compete with more moves and quality drafts We are heading for a top 5 draft pick the next two years in a row I'm glad that Hostetler is running the show now in regards to the draft. Love his philosophy.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 04:14 PM) I don't think that really helps long term. I would want more quantity than that, even if I had to give up one of the star players to do it. If I trade those two in a package, I want two or three front line guys, plus a lot of a teams top 10 besides. Yeah, you really need to get 8-10 players for Q and Eaton