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QUOTE (oldsox @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 10:46 PM) Most of you guys still have Adolfo on your top 10 lists, which blows my mind. He fell off mine due to injury, but potential is still insane.

Godspeed.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:27 PM) Why would he have a higher ceiling than Hawkins, though? Both are not close to five tool players. Because Micker...has potential as a 5 tool. The only tool people think wouldn't pan out is speed.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 05:19 PM) There was a Rick Hahn led conference call with season ticket holders and when asked about J2, Hahn said that the team is signing 9 players and that includes one 'big expenditure'. I've been scouring the Internet to did out who they are. There is indeed a big one on the horizon. Don't know who it is, but know it's a big one. QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 06:14 PM) The last big signing, Adolfo...has kind of faded away from view. We don't even hear about him being considered for the Top 10 list anymore. Yes, it's a "lottery ticket" mechanism, and you hope that maybe 1 out of 20/25 turn into MLB All-Stars. Not sure if the ROI is there, not for small and middle market teams (unless their scouting is just top notch and their miss rate is lower). That would be due to injuries more than anything else. If healthy, he'd have the highest ceiling in the system outside of Hansen.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 05:44 PM) God damn Kershaw is one of the best pitchers of all time. I know why he lost the Cy Young last year, but should have been his.

Yeah Caulfield, I appreciate the numbers, but this thread is dumb. There can be multiple great negotiators in the league.

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 03:04 PM) I see.. I was going to take you to task for trying to spell.. "Sophomore" glad I waited for your response.. LOL. I appreciate it

QUOTE (captain54 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 02:20 PM) what's a "softmore" The later part of a Now&Later. Otherwise, I f***ing hate autocorrect.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 02:40 PM) Hostetler said right after the draft that Collins would go to W-S, Burdi to W-S or even Birmingham, and Hansen to AZL to gain confidence. Yeah, feels like Burdi's AZL stint will be as long as Fulmer's.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 02:32 PM) In your eyes maybe. But in the ESPN predictor he is not even in Top 10 2016 Cy Young Predictor - AL RK PLAYER TEAM CYP G GS IP ER K SV SHO W-L ERA VB 1 Chris Tillman BAL 96.0 15 15 89.2 31 86 0 0 10-1 3.11 12 2 Chris Sale CHW 93.2 14 14 98.0 32 93 0 1 11-2 2.94 0 3 Zach Britton BAL 90.4 28 0 29.0 3 33 21 0 2-1 0.93 12 4 Danny Salazar CLE 86.8 13 13 80.2 20 96 0 0 8-3 2.23 12 5 Cole Hamels TEX 80.6 14 14 90.2 29 87 0 0 7-1 2.88 12 6 Steven Wright BOS 79.3 14 14 98.1 22 80 0 0 8-4 2.01 0 7 Josh Tomlin CLE 77.6 13 13 81.1 30 53 0 0 8-1 3.32 12 8 Colby Lewis TEX 75.5 14 14 93.0 29 58 0 0 6-0 2.81 12 9 Jordan Zimmermann DET 69.3 13 13 86.0 31 54 0 0 9-3 3.24 0 10 Rich Hill OAK 67.7 11 11 64.0 16 74 0 0 8-3 2.25 0 Also in Fangraphs eyes, which uses numbers other than wins, which the Cy Young Predictor uses heavily.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 02:00 PM) Report: #WhiteSox sign first-round draft pick Zack Collins https://t.co/lfPoix4yO7 (@JJStankevitz) #WhiteSoxTalk https://t.co/sjid7yhRS8 https://twitter.com/CSNChicago/status/745299384255000582 It'll be interesting to see where they start him. After Smith went down the catchers got shuffled all over the org.

QUOTE (soxfan49 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) As in, the actual Cy Young award voted on by the people who have votes that count, or another Cy Young award winner? Because there would be no way he would win the actual Cy Young if the season ended now. As in he has been the best pitcher in the AL this year.

QUOTE (Black_Jack29 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 01:45 PM) I pretty much agree with your comments. Hahn's big screw-ups were Shields, LaRoche (nobody saw that coming), Sharks (again, nobody saw that coming), and letting Konerko collect too much money while in severe decline. The other moves that he made that didn't work out are far less consequential, IMO. And Shields is the first move Hahn has made where my initial thought was "...this is bad."

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) That's about the last thing this battered bullpen needs. Reminds me of August 2010, when Sox bullpen guys were dropping like flies, they had no one to replace them and they fell out of the race after leading the division if I recall right on August 1. Mark If I remember right, that bullpen was electric. Then it died.

QUOTE (Lip Man 1 @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) A poster at another Sox web site, compiled a list of positive and negative items in their opinion Hahn has done. I submit it here without comment for discussion purposes since that seems to be a running debate right now. "There are basically 4 things I think Hahn has done well, and 2 of them are contract based. 1.) Sale's contract 2.) Quintana's contract 3.) Sign Abreu 4.) Trade for Eaton The rest of his timeline as GM is a mess. 1.) Chose Flowers over Pierzynski AJ isn't a good choice either. Bad options all around. 2.) Jeff Keppinger for $12 million Made sense at the time, Keppinger just busted. 3.) Traded Matt Thornton (who was still productive last year and has played in the postseason) for no MLB talent. Brandon Jacobs was part of the Eaton trade 4.) Traded Jake Peavy (who went on to contribute for 2 World Series champs) into Avisail Garcia Agreed here. But Garcia was highly touted. Should have gone for Iglesias. Turned two of those trade chips into Frazier and Lawrie 5.) Traded Alex Rios (who went on to contribute for a World Series champ) into Leury Garcia. Literally everyone wanted Rios gone. This as a complain is dumb 6.) Extended Robin Ventura Agreed 7.) Paul Konerko's last 2 years for $16 million Agreed 8.) Addison Reed for Matt Davidson You do this trade every time. Declining closer for a highly rated prospect 9.) Rushed Rodon to MLB Rodon is doing just fine for a softmore 10.) Traded Dunn, Beckham, and De Aza (2 of the 3 having an impact on postseason games) for no MLB talent This is a foolish argument. Getting warm bodies was a win. 11.) Adam LaRoche for $25 million Looked good at the time, not like LaRoche was expected to bomb. 12.) Jeff Samardzija for Marcus Semien, Josh Phegley, and $10 million Traded for an All-Star. Not working in retrospect. 13.) Melky Cabrera for $42 million This deal is fine. 14.) David Robertson for $46 million This deal is fine. 15.) Todd Frazier for Trayce Thompson, Micah Johnson, and $16.5 million Until Frazier's cold spell, this deal was fine/win 16.) Mat Latos No real harm in this move 17.) Jimmy Rollins No real harm in this move 18.) Waiting at least 2 years too long before releasing John Danks It's nearly impossible to eat that much money 19.) James Shields for Erik Johnson and $27 million EJ was bad, but this deal is bad. 20.) Has refused to fire the coaching staff. Parent got fired. 21.) Spent five million on utility infielders Beckham and Bonifacio who did nothing." Utility infielders at that rate isn't a really big problem. Feel free to comment on what you think. I agree with some of the items, disagree with some others. Mark Added comments in bold.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 01:23 PM) He wouldn't be close and prepare for an all star snub possibility too. I love Q, but get real. Ok, if voting was fair. He's been the best pitcher in the AL this year and it can't really be argued otherwise, unless we're going off wins alone.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 01:10 PM) 1. The Red Sox are not trading Bogaerts. He is untouchable. Now Betts or Bradley could probably be had in a Sale trade and to a lesser degree for Q. Q has great stats but his consistent inability to win on a team where Sale does win makes him a step down from Sale. Q might be more likely for the minor league players in a trade. Sale has to bring one stud ML starter and prospects. Bradley has more value than Betts 2. Red Sox have decided Swihart is better off in the outfield than catching. I trust their opinion more than the White Sox scouts after the Shields debackle. 3. Must get a high ranked Boston pitching prospect back in a trade. 4. I think Dombrowski will make a big time trade but I don't think Hahn will. I also don't think Dombrowski includes an ML player( Betts Bradley) until after the season unless they suddenly start to fall out of race. You do realize if the season ended today, Jose Quintana would be the AL Cy Young award winner?

QUOTE (SouthSideSale @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 12:36 PM) If it ain't broke don't fix it. Keep it up you two When's the last easy relaxing win? Aye

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jun 21, 2016 -> 11:49 AM) I don't know about you guys, but I'd need at least one of Betts/Bogaerts AND 3 other elite prospects in order to trade the best pitcher in the American League. Same. And I expect the same thing for Quintana.

Ah hell.

Godspeed, SoxPride18

Robin will get fired after his next loss. To save him, the players keep winning. Loses Game 1 of the World Series. It was his next loss, so he's fired. Renteria leads them to victory the next 4 games.

Insert Zach Duque joke.

Woooo!

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jun 20, 2016 -> 10:17 PM) Shuck may be the worst player in baseball history. lol