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QUOTE (Wanne @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 03:39 PM) Fair enough...but the second part of your first sentence kind of gives a sound reasoning to take Turang (if they feel he's worthy) overall...or possibly Madrigal if they're picking 2nd or 3rd. There's a dearth of SS talent in the system. We got plenty of big bats (sorry Beer fans)... I just don't think there's any real argument to targeting specific positions, ESPECIALLY at this point. Given the attrition rate of prospectys, and how early we are in this process, there's no way to tell which positions we will need when it's time to be competitive. If we ever do somehow find ourselves with too many of one thing and not enough of another, that's when you trade from surplus. The answer MUST be BPA every time.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 29, 2017 -> 10:44 AM) My guess at the lineup: C - Omar Narvaez, since all of the catching prospects are in A-ball. 1B - Abreu/Casey Gillaspie 2B - Moncada SS - Anderson 3B - Davidson/Sanchez LF - Leury CF - Engel RF - Avi DH - Abreu/Davidson Oh, boy. Yep, we gon' lose.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 08:04 AM) For anyone that didn't see caulfields edit this is the article that spurred his brain to post this : http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/the-white-s...g-bets-on-risk/ It predicates on the fact that the white sox prospect rankings in MLB pipelien and BA exceed their KATOH+ stuff because it factors in things like minor league production. But none of it says any of our prospects are actually garbage. Right, the gist of that article is that the White Sox have collected a bunch of guys who, generally speaking, haven't produced as well as expected for their level. Essentially, their hype is because of projection instead of production. So it seems like they are a riskier group than normal. I think the player development question is a legitimate one. It does not seem like the Sox have been able to take a raw position player and turn him into a good, polished hitter in as long as I can remember.

QUOTE (South Side Fireworks Man @ Jul 28, 2017 -> 07:49 AM) Cubs got Anthony Rizzo for Andrew Cashner. After the Sox traded Chris Sale, Jose Quintana and Adam Eaton, they still don't have anyone in their organization that is likely become a player as good as Rizzo. Theo didn't have a young, talented, controllable core like Sale, Quintana and Eaton to build around, so he had to tear down and rebuild and he did an extraordinary job. The Sox have traded away more value than Theo did and the jury is still out on the prospects they got in return. The Sox don't have a stellar record when it comes to developing talent. And what are the odds that whomever the Sox draft in 2018 turns out to be as good a player as Kris Bryant? Would JR be willing to bring in an experienced, highly rated manager? I understand what the Sox are trying to do but by no means are they guaranteed to be as successful as the Cubs, Astros or Royals. Some seem to think that just because it worked for the Cubs it's a sure thing it will turn out as successful for the Sox. It could go either way. It would be a shame if it turns out the Sox exchanged a young, inexpensive, controllable core of Sale, Quintana and Eaton for a decade or more of mediocrity. I would have felt better if the Sox were able to trade these guys for top rated prospects with ETAs of 2017 and 2018 and then augment them with good FA signings. Now we'll just have to bear with horrible baseball for a couple of years and wait to see if the Sox organization under Buddy Bell and Chris Getz can develop these A level prospects and hope Moncada doesn't turn out to be another Gordon Beckham. Yeah but Rizzo wasn't likely to become as good as Rizzo. It's a numbers game. You stockpile elite talent -- most of it busts, some of it becomes superstar talent.

I saw a ton of Gillaspie live in his draft year in the NYPL. Didn't understand the hype. Decent hitter, underpowered for a first baseman. Maybe he's developed since then, but the fact that they gave him up for Jennings makes me think they see him as the org guy that he looked like to me. Always nice to get a prospect for a reliever though.

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QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 26, 2017 -> 10:29 PM) He is the Tank Commander I was thinking of him as Tank Sergeant under the command of Supreme Commander Shields. I guess what I'm saying is that we're going to need an org chart. We need to be aware of the chain of command.

I just want to be on record saying that if we trade him, I don't expect a significant return, so that shack won't call me a sheep

The losses are gonna come, boys. We don't have to hope for them. Let's have some fun and spoil the Cubs.

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 12:10 PM) Need racial breakdown of the mods. Filing complaint with the NAACP. I'm "Undecided."

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 08:39 AM) Look how many career games he has at SS. http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=m...elding/2017/ALL 21? What are you trying to point out?

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 08:17 AM) What if Garcia improves in CF, though? Stops showing off his arm by holding the ball and daring runners to advance, throws to cutoff man every time, better routes/reads, etc. Well, if Leury becomes a better player, I would certainly have to re-evaluate. But, in general, I think it's easier to find a competent bench outfielder than a competent bench infielder, especially one who can play three positions. I like that Leury can fake infield, but still.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jul 21, 2017 -> 07:03 AM) Leury is STILL barely behind Abreu in fWAR, 1.7 to 1.6. SANCHEZ at 1.1 and holding. I understand that Leury has had a better season, but I still think Sanchez is the better player.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 01:05 PM) Now that Moncada is the everyday second baseman, the Sox have a surplus of utility infielders. Sanchez, Saladino, Davidson, Hanson, and Leury are all capable of stepping into the 3B/DH roles, and one would have to assume that Davidson is taking up one of those spots every day. With teams like Tampa Bay and Washington potentially needing infield help, I can definitely see Yolmer being moved at the deadline since he won't find much playing time here. I think Sanchez is the best of all the guys you listed, and I don't think he'd bring back a significant return. IMO

QUOTE (RockRaines @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 07:49 AM) I'm not convinced we have enough MLB caliber starters at all. Me either. The only time there's ever a "problem" from surplus is if you don't have ABs for guys in the same position in the MiLB. Any other time, we just trade the surplus for upgrades where we need them. That's why it's best to always focus on BPA.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 10:34 PM) Yeah, which sucked. You don't need to trade into a rotten market if you control the guy for 3.5 more years. Then I would have had to go onto your next sentence, which talks about relievers getting injured that see velocity spikes. ' Blah, blah...it was a f***ing light return. I don't know what to tell you, man. If you gotta feel bad about it, then I guess you gotta feel bad about it. I thought you said EYE was the one being a wet blanket, lol.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 10:26 PM) This is an oversimplification that doesn't address actual market value of the asset today. Under these assumptions, we might win any deal wherein we trade a player today for a player tomorrow. That's not a reasonable analysis. You had to go onto the next sentence, where I argued that the amount of time spent on the deal likely ensures that we received market value.

QUOTE (iamshack @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:39 PM) So Fathom and I were discussing this...does anyone have Milb TV? And if so, is it worth it? I've had it in the past. The quality of the feeds varies greatly, but they're improving all the time. If you're going to watch AA/AAA, you're generally going to see a really professional setup. Gets sketchier lower than that, and not every short season team even has a stream. But it's really cheap, and the quality is plenty good enough to get a look at the guys in the mid and upper levels. Definitely worth it if you actually want to watch on a consistent basis.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:47 PM) 3 good at bats today for Moncada. One long AB walk, one barely missed a double, line drive right at CF. Yep, he looked like a patient hitter today, and that's something we've needed for years.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 09:35 PM) Didn't see the Anderson bunt. Are u all positive he didn't run it out? That's a no no from a youngster. Wonder if the media will ask Renteria about it. Probably would be a tough question to ask considering the game means nothing at this stage of the season. Probably no need to cause a scene but if he didn't hustle ... scary. It isn't that he didn't run it out -- it's that he didn't run out of the box. I don't think it was a lack of hustle as much as a mental error. He made contact, assumed it was a sacrifice, then started to run hard when he realized he could be doubled up. Dumb play, but a specific kind.

I think you guys are making it more complicated than it is. There doesn't have to be an obvious winner or loser. We traded present value for future value, it's that simple. Kahnle may turn elite, Rutherford may bust, but it doesn't matter -- Kahnle wasn't going to win championships for us, but Rutherford might. With as long as we've been obviously shopping all of our guys, I'm going to have a hard time believing that Hahn hasn't held out for max value. I understand if "max value" turns out to be less than we hoped or thought, but it is what it is. It's possible that Kahnle returns more next year, but given the high injury rate of relievers combined with the extremely high injury rate of pitchers who see sudden, substantial velocity spikes, it's at least as likely that he returns less or nothing. Sometimes the bird in the hand is worth two in the bush.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) Already making me look like a slacker. Thank you for the welcome everyone. You can be the warn clicker!

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 10:55 PM) Waivers. Yeah man I just don't see anyone willing to give up anything for him, given what Martinez returned.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 10:15 AM) I presume we won't get the type of offer we'd like to move Jose. This

Thanks guys! I've already deleted posts!