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Dump the farm to get a player that plays the same position as our current best player AND eats up some or all of the free agent money we would theoretically use to get pitching, which we DESPERATELY NEED. Why?

This is the correct answer, I believe

We should hope Lindor is NOT traded. The White Sox have failed to get the pitching they need to push in for next year (and they seem to know it; Mazara is a rebuilding move, not a win-now move), meaning the true competitive window begins 2021 at the earliest. We would be better off if CLE continues to push in now versus getting future value for Lindor, thus making them stronger when it’s more important to the White Sox.

I disagree with that strongly. The Q trade made sense for both teams. The Cubs were smack in the middle of a contention window, badly needed pitching, and preferably pitching that was controllable through the rest of the window -- and the trade partner is only a problem in the heads of a select group of local meatball fans, none of which would change any of their consuming habits based on the trade at all. The rebuilding White Sox couldn't have been farther away from affecting the Cubs future at all. A Lindor trade makes sense for neither. Cleveland would be trading its best player in the division, essentially defeating the purpose of trying to slightly weaken itself but still be able to compete because the division sucks. The White Sox would be trading high end, close to the majors prospects that it needs to pencil in its roster over the next couple seasons just to get a two year player in a position it already has filled, to take a two year shot with a highly flawed team with many others holes, specifically INSTEAD of using those chips to fill the actual holes they have. They would shorten their window while also hurting their ability to fill out the roster for the shortened window. Anything close to a fair, market-value trade would literally be the dumbest move the regime has made in the past two decades, at least.

I cannot imagine a less likely scenario than the White Sox trading for Lindor.

I would love to hear that “argument”

Which numbers? Strikeouts per nine under 8, walks per nine over 3? Both of those, by the way, are skewed positive by his two good season in 2013 and 2014. He’s projected for 4 walks per nine next year. Just 37% ground ball rate moving to GRF? That’s dangerous. He’a fine as a fifth starter. I wouldn’t want him on any more than a one year deal unless it was super cheap.

I think the memo you missed was the one about how people evaluate hitting statistics since about 2006. No, he hasn’t proven anything — he’s a prospect. And one with a long history of elite on base and power numbers. The idea is that, given some practice and coaching, those numbers will translate as the player ages and improves. Edwin Encarnacion sucked too, actually, in his first hundred or so plate appearances in the MLB. And the idea is that, with or without a veteran DH, this team is still about three good arms short of reasonable, and the options to get those arms are running out fast, so it might make sense to give the prospect that chance to improve this year so that he’ll be better when/if the team ever DOES decide to compete.

Clase’s stuff is unbelievably good. Insane movement with that much velo. Deshields is a fifth OF

Come on

We’re gonna run like an $80M payroll man.

Would have loved to root for this guy in Chicago. Known to be a student of the game, and said in interviews he was looking for the right environment to make him a better hitter. Not surprised he ended up taking a discount to join a progressive team.

Yeah that’s all you need to know about those two guys to make a judgement.

You’ve got a shockingly strong opinion of Josh Lindblom for someone who appears to know nothing about Josh limblom. Weird how Mazara could “blossom to his full potential” But lindblom couldn’t possibly have gotten any better in the three years since the stats you’re referencing.

Lol are you serious

Do they need Nomar Mazara?

Without analyzing each player at all, the offensive environment in 2019 was drastically different than 2014.

Definitely seems a handful of wins better. The problem is it started at 72.

Just that the upside of the deal is limited. You could have signed Kole Calhoun for two years if you wanted a short term deal, and you wouldn’t have given up a prospect and you’d have a guy with a substantially more productive track record. EDIT: or Corey Dickerson.

Meanwhile, better players will sign for similar money for other teams, who didn’t have to give up talent to get them. And every “a SP” that could reasonably be expected to be better than a mid-to-back rotation starter and was available has already signed with other teams that had less payroll flexibility than the Sox.

Maybe, and then if he does, he’ll be a free agent.

And they’re less likely to be contending by playing Mazara in the meantime. The issue is way more about not doing better at getting a RF than it is about giving up Steele Walker.

This is a TON of money to give a first year foreign player in NPB. This’ll be very interesting. Orix is a backwards organization that can’t get out of its own way and really needs a couple power hitters. Good for them on taking the gamble. We’ll see if it works out.

Sign Kole Calhoun for the same salary and give up nothing, end up with a better player.

Just a really pointless, desperate move made in a situation that didn’t call for desperation.