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QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Oct 18, 2015 -> 02:37 PM) Wasn't there a rumor going into the draft that Theo coveted Rodon? It would be interesting to see if they would've taken Rodon if he was still there. But based on stories after the draft, Schwarber was the guy they wanted. But they might have said that so their first round pick didn't feel like a consolation prize.

With the new draft system, every team has their own strategy to take the best collective group of talent to stay within the budget they are allocated to. Gone are the days where you take a Matt Bush or a Kyle McCollough so you could limit your draft spending, as you would need to meet the spending floor. On the other hand, the new draft system doesn't always let you take the BPA because your spending is limited, so you have to look at which collective group of talent would give you the best return in the long term. To say the Cards, Cubs, and Braves always took the BPA, especially in recent years, just isn't true at all. Every pick, especially in the first 10 rounds, could be broken down into BPA, or BOA (best option available). A pick like Rodon would be considered BPA, which limit your spending in later rounds, but you are getting a surefire MLB player with a high ceiling. A pick like Schwarber was the BOA, because it satisfy their goals of selecting a bat and saving money for later rounds. I'd have no issues with Sox picking an arm over a bat next year, as long as there isn't a huge gap in talent, which was what LDF suggested in the original post. Picking an arm in that scenario would likely give them a guy they have higher chance of developing, and if it's under slot, it gives them money they could work with in later rounds.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Oct 17, 2015 -> 08:46 PM) In all fairness, Schwarber was considered the best college bat in the draft and we all know how the cubs like drafting hitters.The cubs also had Schwarber #2 on their draft board behind Aiken so to the cubs, Schwarber was the BPA. Schwarber wasn't projected to go #4 and many were surprised with the pick which not only reinforces that the cubs thought he was the BPA but allowed the cubs to sign him under alot. As for Baez, the cubs had their eye on him and were hoping Baez would fall to them so in the mind of the cubs he was the BPA @ #9 in '11. Joshua is spot on in his post. Is he really though? What he's challenging here is precisely how Schwarber end up being the #2 on the Cub's board in 2014. QUOTE (LDF @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 12:57 PM) i can see this debate in a good theory and based on good judgement with available information. with the opinion that sometimes players hopes may not become, if development fails. but when a team is picking in the 7- 10, i will always take, a pitcher, unless a hitter comes with a huge gossip of being a great prospect. some can say this is in theory BPA.... it might but at this stage, the best player for the teams needs. however the level of pitching, at this present time, only the top 2 or 3 are what i would considered excellent prospect / sp. however how can you not look acquiring an elite bat over the possibility of getting a sp. now the only defense in my defense is 2 players who were passed over.... mike trout and giancarlo stanton were never considered BPA, but had a rep for a powerful bat. The Cubs had Schwarber at #2 on their board not because they thought he was the 2nd best player in the draft, but to them he was the second best option when they factoring in the $$(which is the biggest factor), their success in developing hitters, and their plan to develop hitters through the system, then trade or sign pitchers in the FA. In other words, if Sox draft a pitcher who's ranked lower than a hitter on most boards because they have a stronger track record in pitching development, and they could save $$ for later rounds, then they are still taking the BPA from their perspective, which I am fine with as well.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Oct 10, 2015 -> 03:27 PM) Know why the Cubs, Cardinals, Giants, Astros and Dodgers got where they are? Do know how the Braves teams of the 90s became a 15 year dynasty? They took BPA always, regardless of where they picked and what their org needed. I can say that this isn't true, at least not for the Cubs. They got to where they are now through getting incredible return value from their trades. Rizzo, Russell, Arrieta, all worked out perfectly for them. McKinney will contribute at some point next year. They are also extremely aggressive in LA spending, signing Soler and shattered the budget on a years to stock their farm. On the other hand, of the 3 first round picks on their team, Schwarber was definitely not the BPA at the time, Baez was a mild reach. Only Bryant was the BPA out of the first round picks.

QUOTE (Mike F. @ Oct 11, 2015 -> 09:42 PM) Hey guys, In the dark and cold days of the offseason (yes, I know some teams are still playing but the Sox aren't, so it feels like the offseason to me), I figured this would be a nice discussion to pass some time. How do you think the 2016 White Sox will fare next season? Feel free to post predictions for individual players or the team in general. Here are some of mine: Chris Sale - 15-8, 2.59 ERA, 259 K's Jose Quintana - 11-9, 3.28 ERA, 182 K's Carlos Rodon - 13-10, 3.40 ERA, 195 K's Adam Eaton - .292, 200 H, 13 HR, 52 RBI Jose Abreu - .302, 184 H, 33 HR, 105 RBI Adam LaRoche - .253, 143 H, 17 HR, 61 RBI Sox team record - 83-79 I might post some more later, but those are a few off of the top of my head. Thanks for the read. So everyone improves and you're banking on just about the best case scenario from those guys?

I think there is a solid chance that Thompson ends up being a late bloomer. His weakness has always been his ability to make contact, but yet he has lowered his K% every year except for last year. In over 100 AB's in the ML, his K% is at a very respectable 20%, while maintaining a 10% BB rate. All in all, sound improvement in plate discipline for a great athlete. Hopefully he puts it all together next year at the big league level.

QUOTE (winninguglyin83 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 08:34 PM) Received my copy of Baseball America today with the Top 20 lists for every minor league. Somebody has already posted the lists from the Arizona and Pioneer Leagues. Sox fared poorly at the four other affiliations. SOUTH ATLANTIC (one player) Spencer Adams, RHP, ranked 16th Red Sox have 3 of the top 5 and four of the top 10 CAROLINA (two players) Trey Michalczewski, 3b, ranked 11th Adam Engel, CF, ranked 14th. Indians and Red Sox each had 2 of Top 10 SOUTHERN LEAGUE (two players) Tim Anderson, SS, ranked 8th. Frankie Montas, RHP, ranked 17th Twins had top two, three of first six and four of top 9. INTERNATIONAl LEAGUE (no players) Yankees had three of top 10. Final summary: One Top 10 prospect at top four levels of the minor leagues. Unless Micah lost his eligibility, not sure how he didn't make the list. I thought Coats would sneak in there as well. In other leagues, I thought May and Alvarez are pretty close. Guerrero and Almonte would make it for me on the pitching side.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 05:55 PM) Rumor is Rose took a sex toy to the face. Still waiting for confirmation. I was gonna say he took a dick to the face in a devil's three way.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 29, 2015 -> 10:57 AM) http://www.nba.com/bulls/news/samsmith/ros...ong-summer-work Well Calipari is a fool if he bought into that hype. This is about the hundredth time Rose has made statements like that. And second, are they suggesting that Gar was also at the USA Basketball Camp, or that Calipari has Gar's number?

This could very well be RG3's last season in Washington. If I am the Bears I'd definitely give him a shot here. He hasn't been all that bad IMO.

Traded a 6th round pick for an UDFA from this years draft, now traded a 2nd round pick from two years ago for a 6th round pick. Pretty much sums up the fortunes of this Bears organization for the past 4 years.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 11:00 AM) The nearly $200 million will be the problem, not the draft pick. I don't think we have much of a shot at Heyward, but we're talking about our/other people's plan in this thread, not the most likely scenarios here. If we are going after Heyward, a 2nd round pick is least of my concern

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 08:55 AM) Cespedes is the only one that won't cost a draft pick. I think there's a slim chance the Sox will sign a QO free agent with a top 10 pick. I think there's zero chance they do it without a top 10 pick. Depends on how it plays out. If we end up losing only a 2nd round pick for Heyward, I have no problem with that.

QUOTE (LDF @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 10:06 AM) excatly ..... but is anyone thinking the cost fact the amount of $$$ that will cost. and will the owners allow it??? In Heyward and Upton's case, no. The players shouldn't have to take less money just because teams have to forfeit a pick to sign them. Now if we're talking about players who will cost a pick and won't garner much interest, ahemm Samardjiza, then there is a small chance than they might not end up getting the $$ they're looking for because there aren't enough teams driving the $$ up, or they might remain unsigned till June.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Sep 28, 2015 -> 08:09 AM) FWIW, Dan Hayes, Tom Fornelli, and Scott Merkin conversed on Twitter last night about the Sox offseason. They speculated a signing of Zobrist, Cespedes, and they argued over whether trading Quintana could net a fair return. If we're to go after the Big 3 outfielders, I hope it's Heyward, Upton and Cespedes, in that order. I still think Heyward will hit for more power as he enters his prime, which frankly is the only weakness in his game right now. Cespedes could be a head case sometimes and we already have too many guys who couldn't draw a walk in this lineup.

Dodgers wouldn't have much interest in Micah. They already have Peraza who has similar tools but younger and without the defensive struggles.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Sep 25, 2015 -> 07:59 PM) Couldn't believe Trayce was hitting third when I saw the line-up. Never would have predicted that before this season. Why exactly are we playing Olt and Beckham? Can you just mention the whole team here? That oughta change our fortune

HOW do you throw a change up like that?

27 Balls to 31 strikes, lucky we got out that inning quick.

Bend it for Beckham lol

FWIW Rodon and Schwarber are the only two to make the top 10 from 2014 class. I think had Rodon stayed down in minors and dominated for a few months, was more ready for the majors than he was and put up better stats, then he would have been higher. In other words, this ranking is strongly tied to how they have performed thus far than what their true tools are. All of the other top guys have been hyped for years and have put up better numbers than Rodon thus far, except for Buxton, who definitely merited the ranking for his tools.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Sep 20, 2015 -> 09:50 PM) He's 2-2. Fine with Kane coming back to feud with Rollins. Masked Kane as a face is best Kane. Pretty sure this is only his 3rd WWE match.. WM and last week on Raw, unless I missed something.

How the last two matches played out was very awkward. You would either have Rollins win both matches or lose both matches. Losing the U.S. title and retaining the WWE title doesn't really do much from a story line perspective.

I am pretty stoked that we will get to see Rollins wrestle Cena and Sting back to back, but this also seals the deal for him to lose both titles.

Will the real Viceido please stand up.