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Holy hell is that an overpay for two years of Frazier.

I don't think Lawrie has come close to peaking. Let's remember that he is just 25 years old and is actually younger than Saladino despite having 4+ years MLB experience. I really think he could be able to put up close to an .800 OPS at the Cell and if his defense gets back to where it was before last year that makes a pretty valuable player. We could easily see a 4 WAR swing versus the crap we put out there last year. I would not at all be opposed to seeing if they could immediately sign him to an extension. Buy out his remaining two arbitration seasons and add two more on top of it. Maybe that's crazy to think right now, but I think the guy has an immense amount of talent.

There is a myriad of threads discussing infield options. Not sure why we needed another.

QUOTE (Frank_Thomas35 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 12:15 PM) I'm sure they are looking elsewhere after it's been said J Hey is probably going to end up with a 10-year deal. I don't get the j hey love, yes he's an amazing OF but is an average hitter. Hits around .260-.280 with like 20 HRs and 80-100 RBIS. I mean we could use all those things consistently on the south side but to give this kid an absurd amount of $ for 10 years seems insane to me especially since your paying for a glove with the same hope people have had for years that his Offense improves. He has a career 118 wRC+ with 4 of his 6 years being over 120. That is not "average".

QUOTE (peppers312 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:58 AM) i remember thinking the same thing about Thome. i remember thinking the same thing about Dunn. i remember thinking the same thing about LaRoche. i'm sure if we get Upton, he'd have a career LOW year. Thome hit a HR every 13.2 ABs with the Sox versus 13.9 ABs for all other teams he played for Dunn hit a HR every 15.0 ABs with the Sox (excluding his disastrous 2011) versus 14.1 for all other teams he played for Both of this were acquired on the downslopes of their careers. You want to rip on Dunn or LaRoche that's fine, but leave Thome out of it. The guy was an absolute beast for the most part with the Sox and had the 5th highest OPS of his career in 2006 with the Sox as a 35 year old.

QUOTE (South Sider @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 11:07 AM) To anyone worried about losing Trayce: Not 24 hours ago articles came out saying he was going to be given a shot at CF in ST. Obviously, this doesn't completely preclude the Sox from dealing him. Nonetheless, I doubt that the Sox would deal him after not being too far removed from comments like that. I'm pretty happy about that, too. I'd like our organization to be the first to see if Trayce can make the adjustments required to be a good major leaguer. I'm not ready to trade him, at this point. Robin was also on MLB network the other day and said Olt may get a shot at third. What is said in the media really means very little.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:32 AM) Not surprised. I would imagine those names are Carlos Gonzalez and Todd Frazier Probably, but if the Reds and Rockies are expecting to get a Quintana type return for Cargo or Frazier then Cargo and Frazier are staying with their respective teams.

QUOTE (Alexeihyeess @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:11 AM) You need at least a seasons worth of defensive metrics before they mean anything. QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 10:11 AM) Metrics in his short stint are pretty close to useless. He'd be a plus or plus-plus corner guy, and at least above average if not plus in CF, in my view. don't care about gold gloves, but he'd be very good out there. You can say the same thing about hitting statistics but many on here seem to ignore his half dozen seasons of poor hitting in the minors in favor of the 25 games he hit well in the majors.

QUOTE (Buehrle>Wood @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 09:55 AM) Garcia's numbers are irrelevant because they can't put him in the field anymore. Trayce is a beast defensively so you're leaving out half the story. I think you're using the term beast a little loosely here. Sure he is a good outfielder but he's not gold glove quality. Using UZR/150 he would have ranked 35th amongst all outfielders with at least 200 innings played. Had he played a full season he would have been roughly 25th in DRS. While that is good, it's not good enough if he can't manage a .700 OPS.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 09:37 AM) Thank you. I feel like I am the only one who isn't a Trayce believer. He had an incredible start, and a quick downturn to where he would be expected to hit. The defense is impressive, but I just don't see the bat being there. If he can get us a starting 3B, I am OK with that. I agree with you 100%. If the Sox would have traded Trayce for Lawrie a year ago this site would have been ecstatic. Then Trayce comes up and plays well in just a small handful of games and suddenly he's the future? It seems that people like to ignore the fact that the guy put up just low .700 OPSs in the minors and is actually 3 months older than Avisail Garcia who most on this board have written off and who had vastly superior AAA numbers.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 08:26 AM) Didn't know that Brett Lawrie was the Canadian cover athlete for MLB 14 The Show. Weird that they picked him over Bautista/Encarnacion and company. I'm assuming it had to do at least in part because Lawrie is Canadian.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Dec 9, 2015 -> 08:35 AM) Avi would struggle to hit 5 homers in Oakland lol. For a big dude, he literally has no pull power whatsoever. There is a big, big difference in not having power and not being able to hit the ball in the air. Avi has as much power as anyone he just tends to hit down on the ball.

https://twitter.com/BusterOlneyESPN/status/...584735688089600 Buster Olney ‏@BusterOlneyESPN · 2m2 minutes ago White Sox and Athletics are reportedly talking Brett Lawrie. 7:41 AM - 9 Dec 2015 · Details Nothing really new, but once Olney tweets something you know it has legs.

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:27 AM) really nice, but the owners made millions and will continue to make millions. so if the owners can resolve to the fact that they can actually endure a yr or 2 with a lost, yet it will improve the marketability, the fan base both locally and national, and at last the adv, they can come out winners and hopefully bring home a WS title. Would you give this a rest? You don't need to post the same thing in every f***ing topic. We get it, you think the Sox are cheap. You have zero insight into the financials of the White Sox and have no idea how much money they actually make. JR has a lot of guys he has to answer to. He can't just decide to take a loss because the White Sox are his pet project.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 8, 2015 -> 10:30 AM) I could see us trading him in a package for Frazier, which I'd be against doing, Reds probably want Anderson and Adams. No way they give up Anderson and Adams for two years of Frazier.

Anybody know how his defense is?

QUOTE (LDF @ Dec 7, 2015 -> 08:22 AM) i am taking the interview that said the the sox will only spend about 20 mil. i do not know who said, but it was 2 weeks ago, didn't kw say that?? but that is my point, why spend the whole chunk of what the sox have said they will spend on 1 player when there are holes. now i am taking this 20 mil literally. add the fa's of catching to upton salary and that is it. now the question again is why??? think outside the box, look at the big picture, why would they only do that and maybe nothing else??? Signing the catchers did nothing to the payroll. They were basically completely offset by the departures of Soto and Flowers.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 08:28 AM) And let it be know that Danks had a higher War than James Shields and without the help of the fly ball park. Shields definitely pitched better than Danks in 2015. The only reason Danks had a higher fWAR is because fWAR uses FIP. Shields' FIP was destroyed by a ridiculous 17.6% HR/FB rate. His xFIP, which normalizes HR/FB to a league average 10.5%, was 3.70. Significantly better than Danks. I don't think there is a GM in baseball that would take Danks over Shields if you ignore their contracts.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 4, 2015 -> 08:10 AM) Avi, LaRoche, Danks. Man, all 3 of these guys have been mentioned in proposed trades that bring back useful parts. You guys are smoking some nice bud. You could get something for Avi. It wouldn't be much, but you could get something. The only way LaRoche and Danks are moving is by getting released, swapped for an equally as bad contract or given away with the Sox eating a s*** load of money.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 02:53 PM) Interested to hear why so many prefer Lawrie over Prado? Age? SLG? Prado is an elite defender along with being a solid OBP guy. For my money, I think I would prefer him to Lawrie. I would take Lawrie over Prado for four reasons 1. Age - Lawrie is 6 years younger 2. Years of control - Lawrie has two years, Prado has one 3. Cost - Lawrie will make less in two years than Prado in his one 4. Potential - We know what Prado can do, Lawrie has still not reached his full potential

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 02:10 PM) I want a reason to buy mlb.com again. My team has replaced Flowers/Soto with Avila/Navarro. To me, a reasonable consumer, that is a very very bad tradeoff. Yuck. Tell me the truth people. Would you rather have Flowers/Soto or Soto/Flowers than these two newcomers? Avila/Navarro is a better combo and it's not even close. There is no point in having a combo of Flowers and Soto. They both hit right handed and can't hit RHP.

QUOTE (bear_brian @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 02:02 PM) When is the last time the Sox got better value than Oakland in any deal? When's the last time that the player the Sox were looking to acquire was a player without a position to play for Oakland?

So what is the plan for Turner? I'm assuming this is a Major League deal and he is out of options. Is he going to stick in the bullpen or did the Sox work it into his contract that he would accept a demotion at the end of spring training?

QUOTE (greg775 @ Dec 3, 2015 -> 01:51 PM) Have you looked at his stats? He played in 54 games and hit as badly as Avila did. They both did draw some walks though, improving the catcher spot in ability to take a walk I guess. Do righty/lefty splits mean anything to you? Do you even understand what it means to platoon players? Navarro has always raked against lefties (for a catcher) and Avila has always raked against righties (again for a catcher). What more do you want. Or better yet, who do you want? Go take a look at the list of available catchers and come up with a name please.

Unrealistically who do I want? - Nolan Arenado Realistically who do I want? - Todd Frazier Who do I think the Sox will actually acquire? - Brett Lawrie (and I'm okay with that) I think the Sox will look at Frazier but it sounds like the Reds are okay with keeping him so the Sox would probably have to over pay. I'm not giving up Anderson, Quintana or Fulmer for 2 years of Frazier. If they wanted to work out with some of our secondary trade chips I'm all for it. Lawrie is obviously the most realistic. It sounds like Beane wants to get rid of him so it shouldn't take a whole lot. I think the Sox have a good shot at him without having to sell the farm.