Bananarchy

QUOTE (Donaldo @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 08:33 PM) I think Goff is a Sox fan. So is Bernstein. Before the Score got the Cubs, his disgust with the White Sox and the direction of their organization was palpable.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 06:50 PM) I agree with you and I'm very torn. I finally opened up to moving him, but it would take an absurd package, because I still think with Jimmy, you are a lot closer to the top then the bottom and I look at the Lakers, who have largely tanked, and I still see them being a long ways away. If the Lakers can't sign big name FA's when you have a roster of young players, Bulls are going to have an even harder time. The scary team is the 76ers. There's a really uncertain NBA rebuild. Meanwhile, the Bucks drafted the Greek Freak and now Philadelphia is way behind them.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 06:51 PM) Fun fact: The Veteran's Committee is allowed to vote on Minoso the negro league player or Minoso the MLB player. Not both. That's a travesty. Minoso had an incredible decade and is certainly HOF worthy.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 04:50 PM) 25 instagrams, 2000 protein shakes, 6 new tattoos, 3 months on the DL. Well, this thread is officially over.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 03:37 PM) Chris Sale is a future Hall of Famer. Most likely if he can keep it up and play on some winning clubs. That's all likely to happen.

Arcade Fire has a new song Hopefully they can get their album released this spring. That would be great.

QUOTE (The Gooch @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 03:24 PM) Let me explain. Pitchers get much less wins now because of bullpens coming into play earlier. Years from now, pitchers going into the Hall won't have nearly as man wins on average as they do today (and I haven't looked it up but I bet that the same is true between now and and 2007 for example). Therefore, 214 wins will be a more acceptable number to vote into the Hall than it is today. At this point, MB's win numbers are too low and most people simply recognize other, more superior metrics

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Jan 19, 2017 -> 02:53 PM) If Paulie had played his whole career in Yankee pinstripes, he may have had a chance. Cute, but Jorge Posada didn't get in, either.

Green Bay Super Fan to take Fiancee's last name, Packer I'll be at this wedding, and this still weirds me out.

His statue is on our concourse. That's where Paulie belongs.

The Chargers may or may not have been outdone by Juventus

QUOTE (Heads22 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 09:17 PM) Expecting them to lose a lot, but I still can't pull for a team to do that. Think of it this way: Every game I watch (which is a lot), I want them to win and will pull for them to win, knowing full well that they won't win a lot of them and in the long term that's the right thing to do for the betterment of the franchise.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:50 PM) Easily the best SS since Ozzie Smith, and none have been better since. Not first ballot, but he's the Bill Mazeroski of his generation, plus he played on a number of really good teams during his career, and impacted numerous post-seasons. Alex Rodriguez was a better SS than Vizquel. He played 3B to be on a winner, but he was an incredible shortstop.

QUOTE (Donaldo @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:45 PM) With or without Q, I still think this team will win 70+ games. Well, the 2013 team won 63, so anything is possible.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:04 PM) Andruw doesn't pass the smell test. I know the numbers look great for 10 years and the defense, but, ya know... Vizquel looks like a glove-first Hall of Fame SS. I wouldn't complain if he got in, but the stat nerds are going to be anti-Omar. Vizquel's WAR numbers aren't very good. His peak three year WAR is less than 12.

QUOTE (Soha @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 07:30 PM) Quintana wouldn't be getting shopped if this wasn't a total rebuild. As said above, they can't admit they're trying to lose 105 games. Officials with clubs have to be careful when it comes to admitting tanking. It implies an uneven playing field, which baseball doesn't like.

Jorge Posada got less than 5% and is off the ballot. MLB Network trying to argue that he played for the Yankees or something.

QUOTE (Brian @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:43 PM) With Bagwell and Ivan getting in, they're loosening the "Raines" on keeping juicers out. I just feel Hoffman should've made it. Bonds and Clemons are going to be telling. They'll likely get in by their 10th year on the ballot.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:39 PM) Of course they aren't going to tell fans that. They still want to sell tickets. That is a much more succinct answer.

I hope the user RockRaines is actually Tim Raines.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 05:56 PM) If this is the case, then all the more reason to keep Q. If the others blow out their arms the sox will need Q if they are going to be any good in 2 years. Yeah, but the piece you bolded is nonsense and highly unlikely to happen.

QUOTE (ventura_abreu @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:07 PM) I was glad to see that the White Sox are not planning a typical re-build. To quote Nick Hostetler on their website: "I'm not anticipating this to be a 62- or 63-win team," said White Sox director of amateur scouting Nick Hostetler, referring to the 2017 season. "Right now, the way that the team is constructed, we are going to compete in games, battle." It is not inconceivable that Giolito, Lopez, or Fulmer might join Rodon, Gonzalez, Shields, and Holland in the White Sox rotation early in 2017 with Birdi being added to the bullpen. That would presume that Quintana and Robertson were already moved in trades. In fact, I can imagine the White Sox wanting to make room for all three of them by mid-season. One would need to keep fingers crossed that Shields and Holland had bounce back seasons like Gonzalez did last year. Even presuming that Quintana and Robertson were already traded and the veterans had their bounce back seasons, how would the White Sox swing it if they felt Giolito, Lopez,and Fulmer were all ready to be in the rotation by July? No White Sox spokesperson of any time is going to commit to a 63 win season, but the comments Hostetler made are those of a team set up to lose. He used the words "compete in games", not "win games". Expect this rebuild to be real, but don't expect a lot of rebuild talk from anyone not named Rick Hahn.

QUOTE (Tony @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 06:05 PM) If Toews continues to play at this rate, and Kane keeps playing like he's Adam Oates, a deadline addition won't matter much. Right, I just don't feel like this is the year to sell off more talent for a rental.

QUOTE (flavum @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 04:49 PM) I don't care about Beer right now. My hope is the Sox make quality trades to the point where they have the worst AL record in 2017 with a losing interleague record. If that means they draft 2-5 in 2018, so be it. You have reasonable expectations. The key to future success may or not be one guy (probably not), but we know for sure the way to maximize future success is to add talent through the draft. Right now, that will likely take one or two losing seasons and some strong draft selections.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 18, 2017 -> 04:57 PM) While I feel the same way as you, this is simply not true. There will always be someone who faults a pitcher because their win/loss record. That's a fair assessment. I doubt many of the better GMs and teams are among the people who worry about pitching wins, but you're certainly right that some people do care.