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Really hope today comes and goes without any Ozuna to Sox news. Then we’ll know the report was BS.

There are other options.

Frankly Castellanos and Ozuna should be strictly DHs as well when Eloy is in the other corner.

No, I don't think Ozuna is going to sign a deal under 4 years or under like $18M AAV. I also think handing Ozuna a 4 year deal and committing to dogshit OF defense for the next 4 years is not a move we should be making. If it were up to me, I'd be trading lesser prospects for a 1 year RF stop gap, and spending my money on SP, a decent veteran pen arm and some bench help. If the Ozuna deal goes through, I will reserve final judgement until I see the dollars and years, but I really don't like the fit at all. I also admit that he's an enormous upgrade over what we have, and I think his bat plays just fine in RF. The defense is what bothers me.

To call danks a "nothingball" is insane. Guy was really really good before he got hurt. 4 seasons in a row he accumulated 15 fWAR. That is quite good.

Regarding the bolded - it seems to me that fans here on the ones hellbent on repeating past mistakes. To this point, the Sox haven't actually made any of those moves. Trading Madrigal or Cease or really any major piece of the future would be one of those moves. As would signing Ozuna to anything over 3/$50M.

That Shins cat on Twitter (salt and such), says that the Ozuna signing would be as primary DH, occasional OF.

I would much rather trade Vaughn than Madrigal at the moment. Unless Sox wanted to get splashy with Rendon, which is a pipedream.

Agreed. But I've felt that other recent WM would be busy, and they weren't. So again, I will believe it when I see it - but not saying it won't happen.

We'll see some stuff tomorrow am for sure, but not sure if it will be a flurry or not. Tonight is possible - heard most teams were getting into SD this weekend.

Yah. I would think the Rays would value players that are all need MLB ready, all without a day of MLB service time. But yah, I hear ya. Snell is so good - I doubt they're looking to trade him yet. They'll wait until middle of 2021 when he's getting more expensive.

I will believe it when I see it. Last several winter meetings were snoozers. Won't stop me from being an incredibly unproductive employee for three days though.

Yah, I mean, I doubt that would be enough to convince the Rays to move him. But they're also an org that may have some interest in some of our spare parts. Would Vaughn, Dunning, Collins and Basabe offer get you laughed at?

Besides the Rays being the Rays, is there any reason to believe they're actually looking to trade Snell?

I really don't see the Sox moving major prospects (Robert, Madrigal, Cease, Kopech, and major young pieces at MLB level). Give 60% of the Wheeler offer to Ryu. Sign a backend SP or trading from prospects that don't currently project to be major pieces in 2020. Trading anything that projects to be a major piece moving forward after going through this process would be something. I guess I could see a scenario where moving Vaughn makes some sense, but it would be for a major piece in addition to signing Ryu - not in lieu of.

And then still have 2 rotation spots to fill? Not saying I wouldn't do that deal - I would - but we're not really in a position to be trading from our limited MLB SP crop.

One of these is not like the others. Walker is also a FA. I'd love a Robbie Ray + Peralta to Sox deal. Worth noting Ray is a FA after 2020 though.

Thankfully there are at least 4 great to very good options that are FA next offseason. Betts is a pipedream, but I would take all over Springer, Joc and Brantley over Ozuna or Castellanos from 21-23/24 timeframe.

If the Sox were going to jettison Leury, he would have been nontendered. He is going to be on the roster.

Someone to play 2B until Madrigal arrives. Backup option thereafter. Maybe an option to play corner OF if someone needs a day off. I personally prefer Derek Dietrich for that role on a cheap 1 year deal, but Gennett would be fine too. It would be nice to have a decent option to fill in for a couple weeks when injuries happen - Yoan specifically has exhibited that he is probably a guy that is going to spend a stint or two on IL each season.

I definitely wouldn't say MLTBR isn't worth paying attention to in regard to their projections. But they made their predictions before any moves had been made. So far, of the major free agents that have signed, almost all of them have been bigger deals than most expected. So I think everyone's "updated assumptions" have increased, and MLBTR doesn't revise their original projections as the market develops.

Joc would cost a little more than Peralta, for sure. But you can definitely get Joc without any of our premium prospects or current MLB pieces.

Ask him for the contract terms.

Both Joc and Peralta should not cost anything more than fringe prospects we're very unlikely to miss, both play better defense than Ozuna, both cost less $ on an AAV basis, both are 1 year commitments, both leave RF open for a nice 2021 class for RF. They also both bat left handed which is a nice plus as well. If the Sox sign Ozuna, I won't HATE it. I really don't like the fit, but he is an enormous upgrade over what we had out there in 2019, and all internal options. But I really hate the Sox basically punting OF defense for the term of the contract. Good teams don't punt defense, especially with a young developing pitching staff.

5/$90M? Really? My lord that would be so bad.