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I am not even sure I consider the Twins that much of threat. They still have 2 gigantic holes in the rotation (3 for the first 40 games), a hole at 1B or 3B, horrific IF defense, and their best OF can't stay on the field for more than week. The chances the Twins repeat their miracle 2019 is extremely low. They look like a slightly above .500 team right now. I suspect they'll sign some more pitching, and be the ALC favorite, but they have a lot of work to do as well, and have shown little ability to add impact FA. If you guy's think the Sox are cheap, the largest FA contract in franchise history to a position player is 3/$24M to Jason fuckin' Castro. Imagine that.

Our GM has said otherwise. But feel free to ignore the information provided.

Man, if the Sox sign Castellanos, I hope the first year goes well and it comes without a NTC. Just seems like a guy we'll be wanting to improve on within 18 months. Committing to 67% of your OF defense being well below average for the next 4 seasons usually doesn't turn out well. I'd way rather find our long term RF in next year's FA class. Maybe Adolfo will explode in the meantime and we won't even need to. Castellanos definitely makes 2020 a better team, but I just hate the fit with the Abreu extension.

I mean, Kopech really only needs to be in AAA until late May. 20 MLB starts sounds about right.

haha, so hard to know sometimes with all the craziness that gets posted here.

JFC, say it ain't so.

Still interested. Higher the buy-in the better as far as I am concerned. Anything less than $200, I am probably out - just not worth the time commitment. As mentioned previously, I am a yahoo fantasy guy. Don't really care to debate the positives/negatives of the yahoo platform vs. others, but its what I use and I am not going to add a league in a different platform. If you guys elect to go with a different platform, that is completely fine with me, I will just pass. @iWiN4PreP, either way, thanks for trying to set this up.

Revert back to previous ways = making short sighted moves that hamper the future success of the organization in year that was always a pipedream to compete anyway. But those 81 wins in 2020 with Betts will be oh so sweet when he signs a $350M deal with the Dodgers in February 2021.

We're all welcome to our own opinions. You're a smart baseball guy, and I definitely respect your opinion. But the fact that you think we went through this incredibly painful process just to revert back to our old ways in the 11th hour is strange to me. But to each their own. In the incredibly unlikely event the White Sox acquire Mookie Betts, I will be VERY excited. He is a wonderful player. I just think it is a very short sighted move assuming the return includes significant pieces of the future - Reynaldo, Cease, Madrigal, etc. all included. Just glad to see you've at least changed your tune from moving Cease for Betts to ReyLo for Betts. That is slightly less horrific. If we can get him for Dunning + Basabe + Sheets, go get him Rick! But we both know that ain't happenin'.

And also leaves 2020 wildly short on pitching to actually be "all in", and ~$30M less to fix it. If the Sox trade Reynaldo in a package for Mookie Betts, and actually want to go all in on 2020, they better be prepared to also pony up for Cole/Stras and another 2nd/3rd tier FA SP, thereby having a 2020 payroll north of $160M. Otherwise none of it works.

First of all, its not weird. Michael Kopech is at most going to throw 170 innings total next seasons (AAA and MLB). If he starts in the big leagues, he's shut down by August 1st. If he starts in AAA, works once per week in short stints, eventually working up to 4-5 inning outings, and is called up in late May/early June - the Sox should then have him unimpeded through the rest of the season, AND they get the extra year of control. Also, Rick Hahn has said Kopech is starting in AAA multiple times. Dismiss the available information to fit your Mookie Betts wishes if you so desire, but the chances of Kopech breaking camp with the team are rather small.

This would require a payroll approaching $175M in 2020. Obviously not happening.

To be fair, there are only like a handful of intelligent people pushing for the Sox to acquire Mookie Betts. All the crazies on Twitter that don't know what they're talking about can be mostly dismissed.

Got it. So trade future assets for 1 year of Mookie Betts making $30M before you're a true contender. And then go to battle in said 1 year with Mookie Betts with a rotation of Giolito-Cease-Kopech-Miley-Porcello, with Covey filling in for Kopech the first 2 months. Can't see how this could wrong at all. It would be fun to acquire Mookie Betts, but that team is .500.

So you think the Sox are going to have a $150M payroll and add not a single bullpen piece, bench player or DH? Its not realistic man.

The first year is pro-rated for his suspension, so its really a 2 year ~$17.5M deal. Really surprised no one beat that in this market.

Cease is also going to be on an innings limit.

Exactly. If Kopech starts the year in the bigs, he's shut down by August 1st, and he's also now a FA one year sooner than he would if the Sox let him slowly build up endurance in AAA. It makes no sense - and furthermore, Hahn has been remarkably clear about Kopech starting in AAA multiple times already this offseason.

Lol. Lopez is not a reliever. I don't give a fuck about Basabe. I'd like to keep Dunning ideally, but I'd move him for Betts as I have already said minutes ago in this very thread. I am not trading Lopez, and I don't really care to get into a debate on Lopez with someone who clearly doesn't value him at all by calling him a reliever. So explain to me this: who is in the Sox OD rotation if they made this deal (Lopez + Dunning + Basabe for Betts). Our 2020 payroll is now ~$110M after adding Mookie. We have three rotation spots to fill. Please explain to me how we fill those and stay within a reasonable 2020 budget ($135M max).

Current OD rotation: Giolito, Cease, Lopez.....2 spots to fill. If we trade Lopez, now we have 3 spots to fill.

So now we have 3 rotation holes to fill, $28M less to spend to fill them, and while we solve RF for 2020, we still have to figure it out again next offseason. Such a Kenny Williams move. Betts is an awesome player, but I just don't see how it makes any sense to give up anything that projects to a significant piece of puzzle moving forward for 1 year.

There is 0% chance the Sox are done in FA this offseason. They're not just going to pack up and go home after offering a good not great pitcher $25M AAV and he signed elsewhere. C'mon, such a silly take.

I am not really turning. I am never trading Cease or Madrigal for Betts. I am not even interested in trading Reylo for Betts. That is what I am extremely against and have mentioned countless times when this has been discussed. The only packages I would offer for Mookie are packages that other orgs in their window should be able to easily beat. We both know that a Dunning + Basabe + Sheets offer has no chance to get accepted, and that is about the max I would be willing to give up for 1 year of Mookie.

I'd move Dunning and Basabe for Mookie. I am not including Reynaldo, which means this deal isn't getting done. I'd even include a Sheets or Rutherford type in that deal as well. But no to Lopez.

McCann + Fulmer for Benintendi? Lol.