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Yah, I love the people that say hard pass to Ryu, but were all for Wheeler. They've both been in the league since 2013 - Ryu 740 IP; Wheeler 749 IP. They've literally been hurt the same amount. Ryu has been a considerably better pitcher to date. Sure, he's a bit older, and maybe a little less "upside", but he's also going to come at somewhere between 50-60% of the cost of Wheeler, which definitely makes up the difference, and then some. Ryu should be priority #1 at this point.

Yah, I think its primarily a reflection that Omar Narvaez isn't good.

Hill is very uninteresting. Will be 23 in ST and hasn't pitched above A ball. Comp pick (#71) is nice, but I think we did better in this deal than Seattle did.

Sox Twitter is a dark place. Bumgarner would be fine at a realistic AAV ($15M or so), but it doesn’t sound like he’s going to anywhere near there. Would love to see the Twins overpay for him. Keuchel is the guy that worries me the most. Just really don’t want to give Keuchel $15M+ a year. Just don’t see that aging well. Will definitely be interesting to see where the Sox go from here. Would be super fun if this convinced them to pony up for the one of the big 2, but I’ll believe it when I see it. Tough day for us Sox fans, but it’s super encouraging to see the Sox put 5/$125M on the table even if they weren’t able to convert.

At least I try? I’m a generally optimistic and positive fan as well, but I at least try to contribute to topics and provide insight to a game I happen to know quite a bit about. Definitely am not as knowledgeable as some here (which Is the main reason I love this place), and I love the hear other knowledgeable fans opinions, glean info and learn to look at the game in new ways. You just continually spam every thread with blank thoughts. I’m sure you’re a fantastic guy, but your bit I am sure has run thin on a lot regular posters, not just me. 4,000 posts since February is insane! But this is an open forum, so you do you, man. Go Sox!

Its the lack of analysis that comes along with the blind faith that comes off as silly.

Yes. He’s definitely not my first choice, but he’s definitely a better fit than Castellanos.

I’ve laid out what I’d do countless times. Top of my list would be guys on expiring contracts like David Peralta or Joc Pederson. If those didn’t work I’d explore what it would take to acquire a Nimmo or Gregory Polonco. If those didn’t pan out I’d circle back to free agents on a 1 year deal.

Just so puzzled how so many Sox fans can think Castellanos is a good fit based on where we stand today. RF the one position that makes sense for a 2021 free agency splash and Castellanos defense combined with long term presence of Jose just clogs this lineup long term. I don’t deny that the 2020 lineup would be drastically improved, but it’s a short sighted move. You have to analyze the overall impact of a deal for an organization. Paying Castellanos $16-18M AAV over the next 4-5 years, and committing to poor team defense during his tenure is not what good teams do.

3/$60M, give or take a few million.

Leury with some Engel sprinkled in. Both hit LHP well.

At this point, my plan A would be to pivot to Cole and Strasburg, understanding that is likely a pipedream. Plan B: Get Ryu on a reasonable 3 year deal, and find a 1 year stop gap for the other spot. Overpaying MadBum ($100M+ for him is insanity), or trading from our elite prospects to add pitching isn't the answer.

Well hopefully out of Gio, Kopech and Cease and we can find 2 legit aces. Then filling in the middle of the rotation pieces is OK. But I understand and share your frustration, man. Shitty day for the die hards.

Thank you, Sir.

He said, and I quote "The Chicago #WhiteSox had the high bid on the table for Zack Wheeler at $120 million-plus."

Has $125M offer been floated by someone noteworthy? I've just seen the 5/$120M.

I hear ya. I am frustrated as well. Wheeler was the best (realistic) fit. But he sounded a fuck load better at 4/$80M as we all hoped in early October, or even 5/$100M than 5/$130M or whatever it would have required to pry him to the midwest. Wheeler isn't necessarily an organizational changing player. He's a good not great pitcher getting paid like he's ELITE, with limited track record to back it up. I would have been happy to get him a 5/$120M, but also am OK acknowledging that anything over that would have been crazy. Life goes on. This hurts for 2020 for sure, but I think that there is better than a coin flip's chance that deal turns into a nightmare. And to be clear, I said that multiple times before today.

No. At the point, my plan A would be to pivot to Cole and Strasburg, understanding that is likely a pipedream. Plan B: Get Ryu on a reasonable 3 year deal, and find a 1 year stop gap for the other spot. Overpaying MadBum, or trading from our elite prospects to add pitching isn't the answer.

If the guys preference was to stay on the East Coast, you're already offering him more than most imagined he'd get a couple months ago, you're the top bidder, at the tippy top of your valuation, AND he's turning down multiple millions to play elsewhere due to family ties....it just probably wasn't going to work out.

They're getting 4 minor league pitchers, it sounds like.

Ya, you've said that. But your analysis makes no sense. How can one be so against Ryu, and so for Wheeler. They've both struggled to stay healthy, and while Wheeler is a little younger and may have more upside, he's undeniably been the lessor of the two pitchers over any period of time you wish to select.

MadBum isn't good anymore. He'd give up 50 home runs pitching in Chicago in the summer.

I'd prefer Ryu 100x over Madbum. Just really uninterested in Madbum, especially at the rumors prices.

Wrong.

No, no he is not a better fit than Wheeler.