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Its two years of JBJ.

Those two wouldn't be my first choices (I'd probably go with Cargo as first option off the list of cheap short term options I provided). But yah, I'd rather have Adam Jones or Curtis Granderson in LF than Nicky Delmonico in 2019. I also think its fairly likely that both Jones and Granderson will be had for under $5M, and at that price, if they have decent seasons, they'd definitely be moveable to someone looking for depth in July. The return likely won't be exciting, but you never know. As I just mentioned 3 posts above, I am not paying these guy's salaries, so the White Sox organization paying Adam Jones $3M in 2019 has zero affect on me, and it has zero affect on future years. You always act like if the Sox save all this money now by not filling in its roster with veterans, the money is deposited in a bank account named "Future Free Agency Fund". Hate to break it to you, but that's not how it works.

He at least provides one elite skill. He could be the 4th OF in future competitive seasons. I definitely would prefer not watching Engel play 150 games in 2019, but if the Sox don't add meaningful FAs, I am OK giving him another chance, because there are basically no legit options on the FA market for CF other than Pollock.

There is 0% chance that Cordell, Delmonico or Sanchez are starters are the next White Sox team that makes the playoffs. I have basically zero interest seeing the 2018 season on replay in 2019.

Furthermore, the incremental $40-50M isn't my money, and the its not magically being earmarked for future years (its likely being distributed to owners), so fuck yeah, I'd rather see that money spent to improve the team as opposed to lining the pockets of Reinsdorf and his partners.

I am all for Grandal, but if we miss on Harper/Machado, I'd prefer the guys we get for the OF and 3B/2B to be one year deal guys. Don't see the point in Brantley or Pollock if we don't get a whale. As I mentioned in a previous post in this topic, give me Grandal, and a couple OF and IF stop gaps off this list on 1 year deals, (2 if necessary for the better options). Payroll is still going to be under $80M, and we actually have some flippable pieces. OF Options: Carlos Gonzalez, Curtis Granderson, Adam Jones, Avi Garcia, maybe even Nick Markakis 2B/3B options: Dozier, Mike Moustakas, Josh Harrison, Neil Walker, Daniel Murphy, Ian Kinsler

haha yah, had edited my post to say just that. I don't think the Sox are going to do that to us. At worst, we'll be stocking up on 1 year deals for guys that get pushed aside. Which isn't a terrible plan IMO. Thankfully the positions we need to fill have multiple options on the FA market.

So you just roll with an OD line-up of: Anderson SS, Moncada 2B, Abreu 1B, Palka DH, Castillo C, Cordell RF, LF Delmoncio, Yolmer 3B, CF Engel Good god that team would be bad. If that's the plan, I want Abreu traded for whatever they can get.

Lol, the Red Sox aren't trading JBJ for Yolmer fucking Sanchez.

Right. I am sure the salary can be shed, but teams aren't going to just do the Dodgers favors, nor should they.

I can’t imagine any team in baseball is jumping at the chance to help the Dodgers shed payroll so they can just turn around and acquire Bryce Harper and take on Homer Bailey for prospects.

I feel bad for Greg Amsinger and the MLBN guys that need to spend another full day talking about absolutely nothing.

60 wins teams don’t become 90 win teams in one offseason. A step in the right direction is, well, a step in the right direction.

Watching 100 loss teams is so fun!!!

I personally really appreciate the push to get all tweets embedded. I can't access twitter at work, so its a tremendous help, as twitter links are worthless to me.

$160M?!? I don't even think he'd take a 4 year deal at $200M.

Is that what your source said?

Another thrilling day at the 2018 MLB Winter Meetings... Seriously though, what a flop when Andrew McCutchen's 3 year $50M deal and a minor trade of Ivan Nova are the only action of significance so far.

A little different plan if the Sox miss out on Harper/MM: Trade Jose Abreu to Dodgers for Jaren Kendall (OF) and Diego Cartaya (C) Trade Yolmer Sanchez to the Yankees for Nolan Martinez (P) Trade Wellington Castillo to Mets for salary relief and a bag of balls Sign Yasmani Grandal - 4 years $65M Sign Drew Pomeranz - 1 year $6M Sign AJ Ellis - 1 year $2M Wait for the market to crater on the glut of corner OF and corner IF, then pounce on a couple cheap deal 1 year deals. OF Options: Carlos Gonzalez, Curtis Granderson, Adam Jones, Avi Garcia, maybe even Nick Markakis 2B/3B options: Dozier, Mike Moustakas, Josh Harrison, Neil Walker, Daniel Murphy, Ian Kinsler 1B/DH Options: Nelson Cruz, Justin Bour, Evan Gattis, etc. So for sake of discussion, let's say: Sign Carlos Gonzalez (1 year $8M) Sign Brian Dozier (2 year $14M) Sign Justin Bour (1 year $5M) Roster as of May 1st (estimated 2019 salary): 1B: Bour ($5M) 2B: Dozier ($7M) SS: Anderson ($1.4M) 3B: Moncada ($570k) LF: Carlos Gonzalez ($8M) CF: Engel ($560k) (with lots of Leury sprinkled in) RF: Eloy ($560k) DH: Palka ($560k) (mix Palka in at 1B as well, with Bour DHing) Catcher: Grandal ($16M) BN: Leury ($1.5M), Rondon ($560k), Cordell ($560k), Ellis ($2M) Rotation: Rodon ($3.5M), Lopez ($570k), Giolito ($570k), Pomeranz ($6M), and Nova ($9.1M) Bullpen: Colome ($7.5M), Jones ($4.65M), Hamilton ($560k), Fry ($560k), Frare ($560k), Ruiz ($560k) and Burdi ($560k) Total payroll: ~ $79M Fairly low payroll, minimal future commitments other than Grandal. The team probably sucks, but tons of flippable players on short term deals in Dozier, Carlos Gonzalez, Bour, Pomeranz, Nova, and Colome. Definitely not the route we all want, but I'd rather see this than trotting out AAAA players like Delmonico, Cordell, Stephens, etc., in 2019, with basically no flippable talent.

A brief discussion in the Harper mega-thread about what to do if the Sox miss out on Harper/Machado got me thinking. If both guys end up elsewhere in the coming weeks, how does that pivot your plan for 2019? Do you still try to build a team that has a chance of being interesting, or just go to battle with what we have? Discuss, share ideas, etc..

If we do miss out on Harper and MM, I don't see how moves like signing Grandal and Pomeranz, and waiting for the market to crater on corner OF and 2B/3B types and swooping up one of each on the cheap in January/February, hurts the future. All would be short term deals other than Grandal.

I am guessing the offers are above $300M (if 10 full years). I also don't think Harper or Machado are going to sign for weeks.

Most prospects fail when they first get to the big leagues. This also isn't some new development.

Very somber in here this morning.

One year $2M deal if the Sox basically go to camp with their current 40 man (ie: miss out on all other FAs of note). Sure, I guess. Anything else, hard pass. In that scenario, I may actually rather just see Leury/Delmonico/Cordell play LF.