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Cano contract is bad, but it’s not awful for now. $24M per is a lot, but you have to assume at least some money is coming along based on what we’ve heard and the Mets prospects being discussed. A team like the NYM can withstand 2 bad years from Cano getting paid $18M or so.

Really depends how much $ is going along. Something like Cano (half contract paid by Ms) + Diaz for Dunn + Bruce + lower level guy seems palatable. Throw someone like Kelenic in there too and I dont Like it.

Turns out Dan O’Dowd knows things

You don't get it. It's OK. Continue to blindly love Avi. That is your option. I too like the guy and genuinely wish him well. His time in a White Sox uni has come to and end.

Your question has been answered many times, but I will answer again. He has no upside. Yes, he has potential. Yes, he could magically lead the league in BABIP again and hit .330. But no one is going to give you anything of value for him even then, and then what? He is a FA after 2019. Are you prepared to then pay him $15M AAV for his huge 2019? Absofuckinglutely not. $8M is not a lot in today's game. I agree. But Avi would be lucky to get half that if he is gets non-tendered. There are better players on the FA market, now and many more will join after tomorrow, that the Sox could sign for less, that would have more upside to the org. Its really not that complicated.

How are you still going on this? It's literally a courtesy. Hey bud, we're gonna non-tender you - but here's a deal we'd be willing to do. Take it or leave it, doesn't matter to us. Its your prerogative to see the open FA market if you so chose.

Completely agree on all accounts. Balta bounces around so much from day to day and hour to hour, and even within his own debates, that its almost not even worth engaging him. I also don't think a rotation on Rodon/Lopez/Gio/Santana/Pomeranz/Ross sounds TERRIBLE. Obviously if Gio remains a pumpkin and Lopez and Rodon make zero progress, its not going to be a great rotation, but it has upside, it doesn't block future rotation pieces, and it doesn't require us to dip into the farm.

Or the Sox jusy say, "Hey Avi, look dude - your arbitration figure is just too high for us. We'll offer you $5M for next year, or we're going to non-tender you. With where the market is right now for a guy with your services, you're going to be hard pressed to exceed that, but we certainly understand if you feel exploring the market is the best opportunity for you." Frankly, I don't think the Sox want him at any price. They're trying to get something for him, and if (when) they fail, he's just going to get non-tendered tomorrow.

I definitely think his speed plays up more in CF than 2B. Look, I am not CWS, who puts Moncada in CF in every one of his mock lineups, and I don't think its happening, but I can squint enough to see it possibly working.

Definitely allows his super elite speed to play up though. I'd be intrigued, but wouldn't be so married to the idea what I'd keep forcing it if it just isn't working.

Until the White Sox actually acknowledge that CF is a possibility for Moncada, I am dismissing that. I don't see it happening, though I definitely wouldn't mind seeing it, even if on a limited basis.

Schoop and Machado both wouldn't really fit.

Ya Schoop wouldn’t be an awful stopgap at 3B.

I am not trading Carlos Rodon at far from peak value to turn around and sign Corbin or Kuechel. That is insanity.

I think Rockies would do a Gray to Rodon swap in a heartbeat.

Because accepting any offer a few days before FA is idiotic for a player of Harper's caliber.

I don't hate your plan, though I think its time to move on from Moncada in CF. There is no real indication from the organization that they'd move him to CF over 3B. Also, I am not opening the checkbook to sign Patrick Corbin for 6 years, and then turning around and trading Rodon at not peak value, and I sure as shit am not trading him PLUS ANOTHER ASSET for Jon Gray. Makes no sense to me. Gray is a fine target, but Rodon has been measurably better as a pro, has a better pedigree, has better stuff, AND THEY BOTH HAVE 3 YEARS OF CONTROL. Don't get this one at all, and IMO, would be an AWFUL trade for the White Sox.

Avi has no value to the Sox. Even if he had a great season, he’ll have zero trade value. He had none with 2.5 seasons of cheap and non guaranteed control. Its time to move on. He’s not a part of the future.

Revised IDGAF let’s make some moves plan: Non-tender Avi Sign McCutchen 2 years $30M Sign Pollock 3 years $50M Sign Familia 2 years $18M Sign Manny Machado (effectively 4 years and 180M assuming he takes opt out; 4 years and 130M left (8/$310M)) Sign Ervin Santana 1 year $7M Sign Drew Pomeranz 1 year $6M Tyson Ross 1 year $4M + option Pollock CF, Moncada 2B, Machado 3B, Abreu 1B, McCutchen RF, Eloy LF, Palka/Davidson DH, Anderson SS, Narvaez/Castillo C Rodon, Lopez, Gio, Santana and Pomeranz Ross rotation insurance and Could stick him (or Pomeranz) in bullpen if need be. Jerry opens the wallet and brings the payroll near $150M in 2019 without any major commitments long term other than Machado. Leaves space in the rotation for Cease and Kopech in 2020. Generally allows the young bullpen guys the opportunity they need next season with some veteran insurance. It looks like a pretty strong offensive team that gets on base and scores a lot of runs. OF defense would be questionable. If the Indians sell off, that team could be interesting. And it just doesn’t (IMHO) set the rebuild back at all. These guys are blocking no one in 2019, and deals are short term. Zero prospects given up via trade. It’s just spending money that otherwise wouldn’t be spent and isn’t magically getting reallocated to future seasons. I know a sizable chunk here will hate it, but man it’d fun.

Realistically, Eloy is taking Avis spot. But yah, another major league caliber OF would be ideal. Avi and Eloy in the corners would be....interesting.

I actually think its quite the opposite. No one is going to give Avi a bunch of cash. If the Sox non-tender him, he'll be looking a one year deal in the $3-5M range. If he sucks again in 2019, he could be dangerously close to out of the league. That being said, he could blow up Jose Bautista style and make whatever team give him that $3-5M very happy.

In general.

Hopefully this offseason is less of a snoozer than last. Pretty boring so far.

Meh.

No, but I could see a 4/$60 or 3/$45-50M type. I'd definitely offer something like 4/$50M with something like 2019: $15M, 2020: $13M, 2021: $12M, 2022: $10M, and see what he says. Jose may just not want to mess with FA and take it.