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QUOTE (Deadpool @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) The lack of noise surrounding Melky is both surprising and disappointing. Well, he is set to make $15M in 2017. That'll scare off a lot of suitors. Melky makes much more sense as a guy you hold onto, hope he hits like crazy in a contract year, and move him in June or July to a team desperate for a bat. $7M is much more palatable than $15M.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:52 PM) Its too quiet around Quintana right now. Especially after that little blip last night...I sense an awakening. Mind me asking what the blip last night was?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 03:45 PM) We already have this discussion in the FutureSox board. Can someone merge the threads? I think it is relevant enough to stay on the main board (but agree the convo should be merged). I personally (and I am sure many others) don't visit the Futuresox board much at all in the off season.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 02:46 PM) If all the sox wanted was a top 30 position player, top 70 pitching prospect and two bullpen arms the sox could get that deal. I think it is pretty obvious that that is not what they want.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 02:44 PM) It is about leverage. You had two teams trying to get to the WS and assets and a robust market starving for late inning arms which helped the Yankees extract large packages. This is why the Sox should not trade Q until they get everything they want, because at some point this summer a team is going to decide they are one SP away from making a WS run and the Sox can be well positioned to profit at that point. I am confident this is Hahn's thought exactly. He'll get what he wants, or he'll hold. I am confident in that. None of this accepting best offer BS that has been floated alot around here by the impatient.

QUOTE (Soha @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) I don't think it's as much 'too much pitching' as it is 'not enough hitters' in the system. I'm also in the camp that if the Sox can't get a legit bluechip hitting prospect to headline a trade, then I'd rather hold on to Quintana for now. Pretty much where I stand too at this point.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 12:48 AM) Re: Willy. Is our outfield the worst in baseball history? Just asking. Our infield could be one of the most productive offensively in team history. Abreu, Moncada, Anderson, Frazier. Are we even going to try to put anybody in the outfield who is MLB caliber? And catcher is disgracefully bad. Might as well put Saladino out there in center just to let him have 500 at bats. I still say if we kept Q we potentially have a playoff rotation and with Robertson and Nate, on paper, we have a playoff bullpen. We're just horrid in OF, catcher and DH. Are the Sox still gonna trade everybody?? The way it stands today, this rebuild is barely off the ground. We're closer to contending (at this time) than rebuilding. Now trade Q and Nate and Robertson and Frazier and Melky that's a different story. p.s. Why not trade a prospect or two for Alex Gordon and sign Cespedes? Wouldn't we be favored in the Central?

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jan 9, 2017 -> 08:21 AM) Am I the only one who really really does not want a package centered around Glasnow? Is obviously prefer Meadows, but Glasnow is legit and gives us 4 of the top 10 or so pitching prospects. Not a terrible place to be.

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Jan 8, 2017 -> 02:37 PM) Garcia has a higher ceiling than Coats - more impressive in raw power by a lot, some other athletic tools. But Coats has a higher floor - I think Coats is a typical 4OF right now (and yes he can play some CF, though I wouldn't start him there). For me, the ideal would have been to not carry Avisail and his price tag and overhead baggage, and instead keep Coats, Willy G and Liriano around to compete for RF and 40-man slots. Hopefully Coats passes through waivers. I'd like to see him get another chance next year.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) The Astros have Keuchel, McCullers, McHugh, Fiers, Morton with Musgrove and Paulino in the wings. It's not the most overpowering rotation, but it's not a bad rotation to enter a season. And Martes. They have options.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 01:12 PM) The point is that there's opportunity cost. In addition to his salary, that Sox would be "paying" the rights to a bunch of prospects in order to keep and use Quintana. In the case of the car, the student would be "paying" the difference in its current value and what it would be worth when he needed it. He "loses" the amount of depreciation. I understand what he is saying. It depends on what they can get. To me, if the best offers are Martes, Paulino, Fischer, lottery ticket type package - the opportunity cost would be minimal. You can get that deal (not literally) a year from now. We need an elite headliner on the offensive side. If the Sox were interested In another pitcher headlined package, prettty sure we'd have Glasnow right now .

QUOTE (Blackout Friday @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 01:02 PM) I think he meant the cumulative cost of keeping him until 2020 to act as a 4th starter on a competitive team. Not his single season salary. Yah, I know. It's incredibly inaccurate.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 12:00 PM) Dave Cameron put this best, so I am going to blatantly copy and paste what he said and then link to the chat in question. http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/dave-camero...aphs-chat-1417/ Cameron's comment about Q being the most expensive #4 starter in history. What is he smoking? Terribly off base with that comment.

QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jan 7, 2017 -> 11:54 AM) Here's an interesting question: assuming Q performs the same going forward, how much would his value decline if you tried to trade him after two more years versus today? Thinking is that we don't know how prospects & other trades & roster players will pan out, and it's possible the Sox are ready to contend in year 3. Thus meaning we'd still have two years of Q! So is it worth keeping him for two more years with the knowledge you'd have the optionality of having a TOR starter? If you're not a contender you could still trade him with 2 years left. We might not be getting Q's full value for his 4 years of control. Regarding your first question, I don't think his value drops much at all over the next two years assuming no injury and no significant drop off.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 04:44 PM) Scott merkin said astros high on tucker and wouldn't be in a deal. Then Bye Felicia.

QUOTE (peavy44 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 04:40 PM) For Rick Hahn to get Bregman you gotta offer Quintana and Frazier for bregman and more. Hence why I said Bregman probably isn't going anywhere. Maybe Q and Frazier gets you Bregman ++, but I think the Astros arent moving him. That's why Tucker has to be available, or Luhnow can f*** off.

One thing I am certain of is that the Astros aren't getting Q without Tucker or Bregman. I see litttle reason to believe Bregman is moving so Tucker has to be in a Q deal. If not, the Astros can piss right back off.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 02:10 PM) D'oh, sorry. I wonder if we carry 5 outfielders Also wouldn't be surprised to see May or Engel at some point if Sox go full scorched earth tank job, which I doubt.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 02:06 PM) so do we have a CFer (not that coats was)? Tilson. I think Liriano can play a little CF as well, but better suited for the corners. Leury Garcia?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 01:48 PM) If he is signed to a minor league deal he isn't subject to major league waivers unless he is called up. Thanks for confirming.

Seems kind of strange. I don't know much about Garcia and will read up, but on the surface, seems like I'd rather have Coats. Hope Coats clears, and then it'd be non-issue.

Can the Sox keep him in AAA without the risk of losing him on waivers? I believe so, just confirming.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 12:42 PM) You have a very odd definition of certainty. The 2nd quote is in the portion you replied to. So you don't want to take the bet? I get you like to play devil's advocate, but you often come off as extremely negative towards Sox players. Yes, Jose has had a negative trend in his three years in the big leagues. I'd be willing to bet that his 2017 is closer to his 14/15 than his 16. Your comments would lead one to believe you think he'll continue his decline. Hence, I offered a wager. Happy to take you up on it if you reconsider and want to put a little doe behind your theories.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 10:36 AM) And from my GM chair, I look at a guy who put up a .964 OPS at age 27, a .850 OPS at 28, and a .820 OPS at 29, and say that at the current rate he'll be a .700 OPS hitter by age 33. Right now he's a league average 1b trending rapidly downwards. Every part of his game got weaker last year and every part of his game is trending downwards. You can say all you want about how he's younger, but his numbers make it look like he's aging worse than the much older guy. Turn that trend around and you become correct - his value can shoot back up because he is younger if he were to start performing again. That doesn't change what he has done the last 2 years. Again - you seem so certain Jose will not improve on his 2016 season. We'll use your preferred stat wRC+ - let's make a wager on next season. I say he improves - you say he doesn't.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 6, 2017 -> 10:24 AM) wRC+ is 118 for Abreu, 113 for Napoli. Otherwise their numbers last year were comparable. Hell, their slugging %ages differ by 0.03. Mike Napoli will not get anywhere near the contract I just stated I think Abreu would get. Jose Abreu would not get anywhere near the contract Encarnacion got right now. You can't go and tell me that Jose is going to get better next year when in 3 years of baseball he's gotten worse every year. If I sign him, I'm understanding there's a substantial risk that he's a sub-.800 OPS guy next year based on his trendline. To change that story he needs to reverse that trendline. It's that simple. If he puts up a 2015-like season, then his value goes back into Encarnacion territory - Encarnacion was still a better hitter in 2016 than Abreu in 2015, but Abreu being younger would get a slight premium. If he puts up a 2016 like season, then he's a $10-$12 million a year player who you probably want to shift to DH. If he follows his own trendline then by 2018 he is a "Sunk cost". Wanna make a wager?