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QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 03:11 PM) He almost certainly wouldn't. If you're another team, you're basically just trading one risky asset (prospects) for another (young MLBer still figuring it out). Not sure that really makes sense. Unless another team is convinced Rodon is on the verge of being an ace and ponies up, Sox should hold him and build his value -- either to keep or trade down the road. Rodon may not have "figured it out" in the sense that he isn't quite a dominant ace and still has quite a bit of untapped potential. But you don't have to look very hard to find stats that paint him as a top 25 pitcher in the game already. The dude is really good.

QUOTE (bmags @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 02:23 PM) He's good, he'll probably out perform many inhouse options, but he's not good enough that teams aren't going to just squint at what they have and reason that they are better considering they don't cost 15 million + prospects. Yep, I agree. I think Melky is going to be on the Sox until June or July some time.

Rodon is going to be a star. They control him for 5 years. He keeps his head down and does his job. Zero percent chance he is traded this offseason.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 02:11 PM) I don't see the sox as the worst team in baseball, or even bottom three, unless we deal Quintana and abreu. The padres rotation is terrible. The twins appear set on a weak season as well. Abreast, Cabrera,, Anderson, Frazier is enough of a lineup from being worst in the mlb Abreast always makes things better.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) Why would said team not just go sign Michael Saunders? That would probably be their first choice. Look, Melky doesn't have much surplus value, but let's not act like the guy is a scrub. We all know you hate him - you crusaded against him more than anything I have ever seen on a message board in 2015. But the dude can flat out hit. He is still a very good bat, but one with some baggage.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) http://www.cbssports.com/mlb/news/mlb-hot-...n-todd-frazier/ Pretty generic rumor. Prospect or two could is pretty vague. I expect the Sox would want one top 100 type guy for Frazier, plus another flyer.

QUOTE (Thad Bosley @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) I would have to respectfully disagree. I don't see how it can even be remotely realistic for the Sox or anyone to think they can compete with the current roster that, with Sale and Eaton in tow, were unable to win more than 78 games in the past four years, and that was with stop gap measures in place. How can they now be expected to even get close to even 78 wins, never mind compete, without their best pitcher and position player, and with yet another set of additions of the stop gap variety. It doesn't compute. Maybe "catch lightning in a bottle" is the better phrase to use. But basically just see how things play out April-June, and then reassess. I don't think there is a good chance of that team being within 5 games of .500 in mid June, but crazier things have happened. At that point, you can still trade Melky / Frazier / Lawrie. If the offers suck now, there is a chance that their value increases by June when teams are desperate for infielders with good (Frazier) and average (Lawrie) bats. By June, Melky's commitment is a much more palatable ~$8M. Maybe he can be moved for a decent piece at that point. Trading them now for garbage that will never help the Sox doesn't do much for me. It's not like the Sox have a wealth of ML ready talent to take their spots outside of Saladino, who I still expect to get a good chunk of at bats as the super sub. Adding two of Colby Rasmus, Michael Sanders, Gregor Blanco, Rajai Davis, and Drew Stubbs would be cheap. One of Chris Carter, Ryan Howard, Adam Lind, Brandon Moss, Mike Napoli to DH. And add a Ryan Hanigan type to split the catching. None of those guys will be all that expensive. All will be on one year deals. If the Sox are way out of things in June (which they likely will be), they'll likely be trade bait and teams love short term commitments to useful players. I am not saying this is 100% the right way to go, but it is what I expect barring a Quintana trade, and I am OK with it. The team will actually be half ways decent to watch, and the team will be mostly dismantled in June and July when teams are desperate for upgrades. I think it makes a lot of sense in a market that has not developed for our short term bats. QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 11:02 AM) I think it some point they take last bids on Q, and trade him for the best offer. They have gone really far down the trade path with him, especially in public, for him to come back now. Even if they go into the season with a lot of those players, I don't see them adding to them in any significant way. I fully expect Abreu and Lawrie to be on the opening day roster. Q I think there is about 10% chance. Frazier is not much higher, though I see a disappointing return to move him. Melky I think will be on the roster, as no one will really want him. Call it a 75% chance at return. I just don't see the point in trading Quintana for the best offer right now, if the best offer isn't sufficient to the Sox. I don't think his value is going to decrease between now and a year from now. At some point, there is diminishing returns - I think saw that to some degree in the Sale trade, and I think you'd definitely see that in a Q trade. If someone bowls you over, by all means take the deal. But I think Rick is still in that mode. If the Q domino falls, then my thinking changes. At that point, the Sox pitching staff goes from OK to terrible, and at that point you may as well just take what you can get for Frazier, Melky and Lawrie before Opening Day.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Jan 3, 2017 -> 10:14 AM) After the Sox trade Q and Robertson and Frazier or Melky, it's going to be really hard to be a White Sox fan. The team will absolutely suck, and next offseason there will be very little action. They will not have much to trade. They won't be signing big names. I'd be shocked if more than 1 of those four are traded prior to opening day at this point. In fact, I think they all stay.

As things currently stand, I think some of you guys are going to be disappointed with how the Sox play this. The offseason still has a long way to go. There are still a bunch of a FA available, which makes guys like Frazier / Melky / Lawrie more difficult to move. Perhaps once the FA pool continues to dwindle, we'll see a market develop for those guys, and they're ultimately moved. But if Frazier, Melky, Lawrie, Abreu and Quintana are on the team in April, I fully expect the Sox to try to compete. Stop gap OF, DH and C signed. Still plenty of options for the first two. Lawrie plays everyday at 2B until he gets hurt or Moncada pushes him to bench. Saladino (if healthy) is the super sub. The young arms come up in June. Sox to reassess in late June, and move the impending FAs at that point if they're out of the race. Honestly, at this point, that is what I expect.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 06:09 PM) Why in the world would we even entertain trading Rodon before 2019? You wouldn't.

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 04:27 PM) I think the Pittsburgh deal is worse...Jones and Abreu to Pittsburgh and we don't one of their top 3 prospects? I don't like it either, but Keller is going to be up there with Meadows and Glasnow. Definitely top 25 type in updated rankings.

QUOTE (fredmanrique @ Dec 30, 2016 -> 03:26 PM) What if quintana goes somewhere that isnt NYY or PIT but all the discussions ultimately send other players to those clubs. Just killing time, a scenario such as this feels nice: Q to Hou: Tucker, Martes, Reed, Cameron Rodon, Robertson to NYY: Rutherford, Mateo, Andujar Abreu, Jones to PIT: Newman, Keller, Hayes That Rodon trade is horrible. Plus, Rodon is going nowhere .

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) Our system would be back to being razor thin though. Trout would hugely improve the White Sox the next four seasons, but unloading: Quintana, Moncada, Kopech, Giolito, Lopez, Dunning, Basabe and Diaz for one player would be absurd...even for Trout We would be giving up 6 seasons of control for most of those players Give me one or even two of Saunders, Alvarez, Moss, Lind, Valbuena, Howard or Morneau. They'll all be varying degrees of cheap and can be had on 1 year deals. Saunders pushing Melky to DH would be nice. Rasmus would be cool. Otherwise one of the other guys to DH would be fine. Valbuena to play 3B if Frazier is moved. If the Sox don't get an offer to their liking for Q, I could see an opening day roster line this: Anderson - SS Lawrie - 2B Abreu - 1B Frazier - 3B Melky - DH Saunders - LF Rasmus - CF Liriano / Avi - RF Narvaez / Some FA - C Q Rodon Shields Holland Covey for first two months then Fulmer, Giolito, Lopez That team would at least still be somewhat respectable. Sanders and Rasmus combined probably would cost somewhere between $15M-$20M.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:39 PM) The Angels had 74 wins in 2016, and 2017 is not looking any better That team won't compete against the Astros, Rangers or Mariners Totally agree. They're in a very, very, very bad spot.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) With only two seasons of control? Give me the cheap prospect package for what the White Sox need right now Yes. Two years and $70M for Trout in 2 offseasons will be incredibly valuable.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) I don't really see any realistic Trout trade where they end up with better value than Trout is currently providing though. Yah, I suppose for now they can continue to try to scrap together a competitive team around him, but at some point they have to realized that they're never going to be very good over the next 4 years with him. Blowing away his prime like they are is just sad.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 12:49 PM) That could be a recipe for even further disaster, overpaying past their prime players. Trading Trout would be a tough pill to swallow, but it might be necessary for the good of the franchise. Not sure which team would have enough to trade for him though? They pretty much have to trade Trout, IMO.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 11:25 AM) And the next few years will be loaded with players just like this. Dude, relax.

QUOTE (shakes @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 11:18 AM) And the Sox have averaged 72 wins the last four years. Honestly, what is your point besides whining? If this rebuild would've started three years ago like it should have they could already be in that window of contention. Instead we got to try and count on players like Matt Latos, Jimmy Rollins, JB Shuck, Jacob Turner, Dioner Navarro, Matt Albers, Kyle Drabek, Gordon Beckham, Hector Noesi, Adam Laroche, John Danks, Jordan Danks, Scott Carroll, Gordon Beckham, Ronald Belisario, Andre Rienzo, Dylan Axelrod, Blake Tekotte's of the world to try and win. That was a fun time as a fan. Blake Tekotte. Forgot about him. By the way, all teams have filler.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 10:40 AM) After what we saw from his ML Debut, I don't think you could call him major league ready. While exciting, he still has some work to do before you can call him that. Bregman started 0-32. Moncada only had 20 PAs. Sample sizes are your friend. That said, I don't think he is ML ready yet, but his sip of coffee should have no bearing on anything.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 10:37 AM) If there is one thing that we have been taught in this off season is that the guys you are dreaming about aren't available. Realistically, who are you talking about? Moncada? Ya know...the #1 prospect in the game...

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 03:23 PM) I personally don't think that offer is light at all. I just think Luhnow doesn't realize that in the modern MLB that you have to really go for it when you have a window and that sometimes means trading away quality prospects. Epstein most definitely overpaid for Chapman but it helped them get a ring. Can't be a major league GM and he afraid to make a move like that if you want to win a title. Plus, if there is ever a guy to trade away a prospect package for, its Quintana. Heck, you get 4 years of PROVEN top of the rotation pitching at the going rate for a over the hill #5 these days. If your prospect hits, pretty much best case scenario is you get 4 years of top of the rotation / middle of the order production. You could pretty much view Quintana as a prospect you know will hit due to his control.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 03:21 PM) That is pretty insane honestly. That is a pretty terrible return for a front line starter. Yah, I don't think that offer was ever something Rick was going to accept in December.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 02:52 PM) http://chicago.cbslocal.com/2016/12/27/lev...-jose-quintana/ Take it for what it's worth. Kinda random names to throw around.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 01:56 PM) You spent the last 10 years trying to get back on to Soxtalk after getting banned originally. That's right, 10 years. You are here for a week, and are already calling people retards, and talking about people who have no life. Apparently you didn't figure out how to stay on Soxtalk during those 10 years. Please boot him again. Adds nothing.