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Whit sucks now too, so he fits right in with Pedro.

A competent org helps him analyze what went wrong with his slider, and if the velo loss is permanent, helps him pitch over that. Or teaches him new ways to attack hitters with a reduced FB. Acting like 2023 Cease is who he will be going forward is silly. Will he be 2022 again? Who knows, but I think its just as likely he is better in 2024 and is closer to the Cy Young candidate we saw in '22.

Where did I say the Reds said yes? I never actually said he was worth 2 top 100, those are your words. Yet every reputable source says Cease is in high demand and should bring back a haul, and while that is a nebulous statement, I choose to believe the people in the know. Your desire to be obtuse and pedantic doesn't interest me, enjoy your own echo chamber for all I care.

Yeah, well, Bennett is an idiot, so take that for what its worth.

Because of course. Most predictable move of the winter.

Sox fans have been in an abusive relationship with this ownership group for 40 years. So many of us are just done with the bullshit. New ownership is desperately needed before fan interest completely dies. It feels like we are already on that precipice too.

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Don’t bother, it’s his way of trolling.

I already have one foot out the door after the failed rebuild, they’re dead to me if they move. I’ll still watch tons of baseball, I just won’t have a local team anymore. It’s really hard to form new attachments after 30+ years of investment in this shitty franchise.

This part.

So in other words, Cease is worth two top 100 prospects?

Correct. Picking 5th this year really bones them. For example, Washington actually landed the top pick in the lottery but was ineligible b/c they picked top 6 last draft, so they pick 10th. The Sox look to be worse in 2024 but can pick no higher than 10th because they landed top 6. It really is the worst case scenario for a team desperate for young talent.

An FA signing window might be interesting. From the World Series ending to the GM meetings, teams can only talk to their own FA. GM meetings to Winter Meetings team can negotiate w/ any FA or discuss trades not sign/trade yet. Winter Meetings until mid-Jan is the signing period. After Jan 15 teams can still sign MiLB deals or Spring Training invites or something along those lines.

Good luck with that O’s. Guess you aren’t serious about winning after all.

Completely agree. Even in a down year on a shitty team, he still showed his worth. The notion some are floating that he’s tarnished and not worth much in trade is absurd.

This has to be dullest early offseason in years. The Winter Meetings are practically over and it’s been boring AF.

What will be higher, the 2024 Sox number of losses, or the ripe old age JR lives to before he finally gives up the ghost?

Hard to glean much without diving into each of those games, but that's not insignificant. On the surface it suggests that he kept his team in the game, and we all know the offense, defense, and pen sucked ass.

I mean, with any luck!

fucking cleveland. are you kidding me?

f***

Top 5

Nope

Hanser, Kotsay, and Keuchel I had pushed out of my memory. Woof.

Honorable Mentions: Chris Getz, Jeff Keppinger, Yonder Alonso, Jon Jay, Nomar Mazara, Billy Koch. I seem to remember Edwin Encarnacion sucking ass too, even though he had a few moments.