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JR basically confirmed those comments yesterday. Just an embarrassment.

Because most of the moves are flotsam and jetsam and retreads. Yes, the Sox minor league system is THAT bad! ?

Diekman is another "success" story for the intrepid Rick Hahn. ?

Diekman another Rick Hahn "success" story! ?

Or Robert could also be going on the IL yet again.

May 2, 1901 - The White Sox were part of the first forfeit in American League history. After the Detroit Tigers took the lead with five runs in the top of the ninth, rain began. White Sox players began stalling, hoping to have the game wash out and be called as of the top of the eighth, with the White Sox getting the win. Umpire Tom Connolly caught on to the scheme and forfeited the game to Detroit, as soggy Sox fans stormed the field in protest. Connolly had to be given a police escort to get out of the ballpark. The final score was 7-5 Tigers. May 2, 1984 - It was the finest regular season performance by LaMarr Hoyt as he one-hit the Yankees winning 3-0 at Comiskey Park. The reigning Cy Young Award winner lost his no-hitter on a single by Don Mattingly with one out in the seventh inning. Mattingly’s hit was a bloop that got caught in the wind and fell in between shortstop Jerry Dybzinski and left fielder Ron Kittle. Hoyt only threw 101 pitches on the night and faced the minimum 27 batters. May 2, 2021 – Seasons can change in a heartbeat and on this day the high expectations for the White Sox took a stunning turn for the worse. Five tool outfielder Luis Robert, the Gold Glove outfielder and runner up in the 2020 Rookie of the Year voting completely tore his right hip flexor when beating out a ground ball in the first inning in a 5-0 loss to the Indians. The White Sox were already without the services of Robert’s teammate Eloy Jimenez, one of the top young sluggers in the game, because of an injury that happened late in spring training. Robert wasn’t even able to try to resume baseball activities for a period of a few months. His loss left a gaping hole both offensively and defensively in the White Sox lineup but remarkably after a grueling rehab he returned to the team on August 9 in Minnesota and helped contribute to the club winning the Central Division with a total of 93 victories. His injury-luck though continued into the 2022 season when he missed time with vertigo, blurred vision and worst of all, a sprained left wrist that never properly healed and was so bad at times he was swinging a bat one-handed.

Many of these comments add weight to what David Samson said JR told him about finishing second from a profitability standpoint and keeping fans interested. By the way JR through the team never denied making that statement he said he "didn't remember" saying it, which is entirely different.

Straw man argument. The White Sox aren't moving, things were worse a LOT worse as far as the health of the franchise in the late 60's and the mid 70's and they didn't leave. Too many things still in a franchise's favor if only good ownership knew how to take advantage of it. When JR departs and the team is sold they aren't going anyplace. Please stop with the dire straits. And yes this shitshow needs to be burned down to the ground and rebuild BUT with competent people who know what they are doing. Again, take care of yourself and hope to outlive current ownership and see what the future brings.

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May 1, 1909 - In a game at South Side Park, the White Sox buried the Tigers 19-9 banging out 16 hits. Detroit made 10 errors in the game. Their starting pitcher, Joe Yeager, allowed 12 runs but only five were earned in three innings of work. There was one other notable incident in the game, the Sox Herm McFarland hit the first grand slam in American League history when he connected off Yeager in the second inning. May 1, 1924 - In a game at Cleveland, Sox outfielder Bill Barrett banged out four hits and stole home twice in a 13-7 win. Barrett went 4 for 5 with three runs scored and two RBI’s for the afternoon. His steals of home came in the first and ninth innings. May 1, 1936 - The Sox purchased the contract of Fred “Dixie” Walker from the Yankees. Alas this was a big one who eventually got away as the Sox traded him in a deal with the Tigers after only one season. In 1937, with the Sox, Walker drove in 95 RBI’s while hitting .302. Walker would achieve stardom in Brooklyn winning a batting title and playing in four All-Star games. May 1, 1951 - Recently acquired outfielder Orestes “Minnie” Minoso made his White Sox debut. The “Cuban Comet” became the first black player in team history. In his first at bat as a member of the Sox he hit a home run into the center field bull pen at Comiskey Park off Vic Raschi. The drive went an estimated 425 feet and drove in a pair of runs. Later in the same game, won by the Yankees 8-3, Mickey Mantle would hit the first of his 536 home runs. May 1, 1954 - Sox pitcher Virgil “Fire” Trucks tossed a one-hitter in beating the Red Sox 3-0. The only hit he allowed came in the sixth inning, a single by future White Sox player Billy Goodman. He struck out eight Boston batters in the game. It was the first of his pair of one-hitters for the 1954 season. He’d end the year going 19-12 with a 2.79 ERA making the All-Star team and saving the win for the American League. May 1, 1959 - Early Wynn had one of the greatest days ever by a pitcher when he did it all in the 1-0 Sox win over Boston. Wynn tossed a one-hit complete game striking out 14. In addition, he slammed a home run in the last of the eighth inning to account for the game’s only run. His drive bounced off the glove of Boston’s Bill Renna into the first row of seats at Comiskey Park. The only hit he allowed came to Pete Runnels in the first inning. It was a single to center field just to the left of shortstop Luis Aparicio. Ironically seconds before the hit Wynn moved Aparicio over a few steps to his right and he wasn’t able to reach the ball. Wynn’s control wasn’t the best as he walked seven batters but he was always able to get out of trouble. May 1, 1960 - Al Smith connected on a Jim Bunning pitch and set off owner Bill Veeck’s new exploding scoreboard for the first time. The blast came in the third inning with Jim Landis on base. The Sox would win the game 6-3, and then swept the Tigers taking game two by the score of 5-2. The scoreboard was 130 feet wide and cost $300,000. There was a firing platform in back that went into action when a White Sox player hit a home run. There were noises of varying tones and intensities. Among the noises were the sounds of horses running, thunder and the collision of locomotives. The eight small ladders atop the scoreboard flashed into electrical patterns. Strobe lights were atop the two higher ladders. Bombs and fireworks also were exploded from the firing platform. May 1, 1973 - Dick Allen hit a lot of long home runs in his time with the White Sox but this may have been his longest. On a cool, damp night at Comiskey Park, Allen deposited a pitch from the Orioles Mike Cuellar on to the roof in left center field. The pitch was unusual as it approached home plate and many speculated that what Allen hit was a ‘Cuban Forkball’ (i.e. spitball) that failed to break downwards. Allen would hit two home runs on the night in the Sox 6-5 win. For many years afterwards the Sox hung a sign on the roof in left center field indicating where his ball passed over. May 1, 1991 - The Sox lost one of the longest games in their history 10-9 to the Brewers in Milwaukee. The Sox blew leads of 5-0 and 9-6 in this one. The game went 19 innings and ran 6:05. The game went so long that WGN-TV sports director Dan Roan, who was covering the game, had to do his evening sportscast from a parking lot at a bar just inside the state line on Route 41. He couldn’t get back to the studio in downtown Chicago in time! Dan Roan

As a play by play broadcaster I have to disagree with you. Ed was absolutely terrific as an analyst. His work with John Rooney was first rate. As a play by play person, he was out of his element.

The Sox have blown and lost four games this year where they led in the 7th inning or later. Lopez has been directly responsible for two of them. And if not for the miracle comeback yesterday it would have been three for him in five blown games. His ERA is something like eight. He has sucked this year.

And now Lopez who has sucked all season, may be hurt.

And Lopez is right there with them. Incredible how awful these guys are.

With this organization that is possible.

A miraculous comeback, we'll see if this starts to change things. Maybe... But let's not forget the most expensive bullpen in baseball was absolutely horrific again. The ERA's of those guys are sky-high.

April 30, 1922 - Sox pitcher Charlie Robertson fired a perfect game beating the Tigers 2-0. The game was at Detroit. Robertson never had a winning record in eight seasons with the club finishing 49-80 with an ERA of 4.44. His perfect game only took one hour and 55 minutes to complete. Earl Sheely drove in both Sox runs in the second inning with a single. As a sample of Robertson’s effectiveness, only seven balls were hit on the ground. Fourteen were slammed into the air, and six of the 27 batters struck out. Only six balls were driven into the outfield. April 30, 1951 – Orestes “Minnie” Minoso was acquired by the White Sox as part of a three-team deal involving the Athletics and Indians. The seven-player deal resulted in Minoso becoming the team’s first black ballplayer. Minoso used his blinding speed and power to become the American League Rookie of the Year for 1951 from The Sporting News by hitting .324 with 10 home runs, 76 RBI’s and 31 stolen bases. He’d be named to the All-Star team six times representing the Sox. His #9 would be retired by the club in 1983. April 30, 1962 - Sox shortstop Luis Aparicio was shown sliding into a base on the cover for Sports Illustrated. The caption said, “The Players With Magic. Luis Aparicio of the White Sox.” The Hall of Fame player would lead the American League in steals nine consecutive years for the White Sox and later Orioles, while playing remarkable defense.

April 30, 1922 - Sox pitcher Charlie Robertson fired a perfect game beating the Tigers 2-0. The game was at Detroit. Robertson never had a winning record in eight seasons with the club finishing 49-80 with an ERA of 4.44. His perfect game only took one hour and 55 minutes to complete. Earl Sheely drove in both Sox runs in the second inning with a single. As a sample of Robertson’s effectiveness, only seven balls were hit on the ground. Fourteen were slammed into the air, and six of the 27 batters struck out. Only six balls were driven into the outfield. April 30, 1951 – Orestes “Minnie” Minoso was acquired by the White Sox as part of a three-team deal involving the Athletics and Indians. The seven-player deal resulted in Minoso becoming the team’s first black ballplayer. Minoso used his blinding speed and power to become the American League Rookie of the Year for 1951 from The Sporting News by hitting .324 with 10 home runs, 76 RBI’s and 31 stolen bases. He’d be named to the All-Star team six times representing the Sox. His #9 would be retired by the club in 1983. April 30, 1962 - Sox shortstop Luis Aparicio was shown sliding into a base on the cover for Sports Illustrated. The caption said, “The Players With Magic. Luis Aparicio of the White Sox.” The Hall of Fame player would lead the American League in steals nine consecutive years for the White Sox and later Orioles, while playing remarkable defense.

Bottom line: Forget all the possibilities. The reality is this, it probably couldn't get much worse with new ownership/ new front office. I've been in touch with friends in the mainstream Chicago media the past few days and I've been struck at how three of them all used the same phrase, That they "feel sorry" for Sox fans.

Paul Sullivan's post game wrap up with quotes from the players and Grifol. Calls this coming week "do or die" with the Sox already nine games out: https://www.chicagotribune.com/sports/white-sox/ct-chicago-white-sox-tampa-bay-rays-20230430-rfh22rcxgbfy3mxp6hbracqmfi-story.html

By the way didn't see this mentioned but a few days ago a judge threw out all of Ball's remaining charges against Hahn and the White Sox.

"Meanwhile, many of the fans who booed Robert for his apparent lack of effort changed to “Sell the team” during the Rays’ outburst." From Mark Gonzales' wrap up post mortem story tonight. Love it! Also Grifol wouldn't confirm they called a team meeting after tonight's farce. Here we go with the team meetings now. Losers call meetings, winners win games.

Robert like so, so many of the Sox players is simply "baseball-stupid." Period.

I think we can all agree tonight the rebuild officially died and was flushed right down the toilet. "Multiple championships," "Talk to me after the parade," "Window of contention..." ?????????? (and counting...)

They will do something, they'll be traded and the rebuild will be official done. ?