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I don't know about his quickness or ability to get to balls if he was in center, maybe a corner spot with his power.

As Kenny would say (and did): "It is what it is..." The system isn't changing so I guess you either (not you directly but a franchise) adapt or dies. Sox are getting new ownership sooner rather than later. That's all that matters to me. No sense arguing about a system that isn't changing. I applaud the teams that are willing to take chances, go out on a financial limb and do anything they can, regardless of market size to try to win. There is one way I'd come over to your side of the discussion though. The owners open their books to an independent auditor or accountant someone well versed in these areas and let's see who is making money, how much, who really isn't, who is making a choice not to compete but is making money and so forth. If it is anything like was shown during the labor impasse of 1994-95, when for the only time they did so, a number of teams are making a deliberate choice not to try to compete blaming their issues on outside factors.

All I know is what the results have shown over the last 20-30 years. More teams have made it to the World Series from different cities than teams made it to the NBA Finals or the Super Bowl. I think the issue in baseball is awful owners, you disagree...so be it. The bottom line is a salary cap is NEVER going to be instituted in MLB. I suggest everyone get used to that idea. Again history shows this to be the case.

Or perhaps get owners in place who care more about winning than profit margins. Especially those getting millions in revenue sharing money and national broadcast deals (which when you add them all up equals roughly 200 million for each team every year) That's not counting local media rights, national radio rights, merchandising, concessions and tickets sold. Just a thought. Everyone thought the Dodgers would easily beat the Blue Jays to win the series. It was anything but that wasn't it? As has been shown by folks here at the web site. MLB has had more teams compete in and or/win the World Series than the NBA has had or the NFL either for their respective championships.

I am able to read both stories easily. And if a story is behind a paywall (and the Sun-Times stopped doing that two years ago) this website doesn't look kindly on copying and pasting something that has to be paid for. One of the mods can correct me if I'm wrong about this.

Finally some good news: https://soxmachine.com/2025/12/white-sox-win-mlb-draft-lottery https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/12/09/white-sox-win-2026-mlb-draft-lottery The Sun-Times story takes a look at the potential top picks

It all depends on the return but I'm not in favor of this.

July 9, 2006 - Tadahito Iguchi’s single in the last of the 19th inning gave the White Sox a dramatic 6-5 win over Boston at U.S. Cellular Field in the final game before the All-Star break. Jermaine Dye’s two out, ninth inning home run tied the game at three. Both teams scored two runs in the 11th and the score stayed that way until the 19th. The game took 6:19 to play. It also appeared to take something out of the World Champions; they lost 10 of the next 12 after the break and skidded to a 90-win season.

https://chicago.suntimes.com/white-sox/2025/12/08/white-sox-taking-a-leap-hinges-on-development-of-young-players-not-outside-reinforcements

😆And you believed him?

Yes they fell apart after the break, still finished with 90 wins though.

JR has never run this franchise as a "major market" team. Never has, never will.

JR would have even less incentive to win if Sox fans showed up like the Cubs for two reasons. First he'd have to start paying the state instead of the other way around. Second he'd say (not out loud of course) 'why should I spend money when the lemmings keep showing up to support garbage baseball?'

Bulls have now lost seven straight and 14 of the last 18. This organization is as bad as the White Sox is.

First off he's going to be a free agent soon and the Sox aren't close to being competitive for another two-three years and second, from everything I've seen and read Ishbia doesn't have any say on the on-field player decisions, his money right now is going towards off the field issues.

Frankly I didn't think the Bears were winning today so I'm not that upset with the final score. And they honestly played pretty well in a tough place, they deserve credit. The key game considering the remaining schedule is next week. Beat the Browns, get to 10 wins and you have a very reasonable chance to make the playoffs as a wild card.

Don't know to respond to this. Should we be "relieved" for wont of a better word that the White Sox, Rockies and A's are being talked about in the same sentence? Instead of the White Sox by themselves? 😐

It already is a laughingstock. The published comments from former players to national outlets goes a long way in explaining how bad things have gotten.

When Ishbia takes over until then you'll get dumpster diving retreads and like it.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/2025/12/04/mlb-players-union-labor-negotiations/

Wasn't speaking about Getz specifically in this case but as I pointed out the arrogance has been linked to JR, Kenny Williams, Don Cooper, Einhorn, Hahn and others with their public comments towards the fan base. Even Garfein has had his moments.

Sox Machine looks at the signing: https://soxmachine.com/2025/12/following-up-anthony-kay-fits-white-soxs-type-perhaps-too-well

https://www.mlb.com/whitesox/news/white-sox-prepare-for-2025-winter-meetings

Speaking of Manfred and the probable lockout. Here's an interesting story on some "cheap" teams trying to spend and why: https://defector.com/why-mlbs-cheapest-teams-are-at-least-trying-to-seem-like-theyre-trying

They had four years above .500 between 81 and 85. 81,82,83 and 85. JR was still the owner and could have said no to the deals that brought in Bannister as a free agent, outbidding the Yankees which got Steinbrenner PO'd, and the trade for Cruz so he has to get some credit. I'm the very last person to talk in a positive manner about JR but fair is fair and there was a time period where he actually cared. Those days are long gone and the way he has destroyed the franchise can't be excued in any way, shape or form.