TheFutureIsNear

https://blogs.fangraphs.com/david-prices-trade-value/ This writer on fangraphs suggests $60M in excess value suggesting Price would struggle to get 2/30 on the open market. Also said fair trades just to equal out Price’s negative value are Eduardo Rodriguez +$30M or Benintendi +$5M per year of Price’s contract. That seems like a little bit of hyperbole to me. I think the value of potential TOR pitchers always get inflated just because of how few become available. But nonetheless, we’re talking $40+ Mil in negative value attached to Price. Don’t know much about him, but what do people think about getting Chavis back in a hypothetical deal? Not alone obviously, maybe with Groome/Houck attached as well. But chavis looks like he has some pretty good pop and could start at 2B until Madrigal is up and then be the RH side of a DH platoon + backup at 2B/3B

Surprisingly he’s still looking for a contract

This is taking the point I was making way out of context. I never said anything close to being against spending $. I just don’t see why people are upset about not signing mediocre players that aren’t going to help us win a WS. We should 100% still be going hard after Ryu, Bum, Keuchel (the latter 2 to a lesser extent). Nor should we be out on Castellanos or Ozuna. If in a month + they made no real efforts to sign any of these guys I’ll be right on board b****ing with you guys. But in the mean time I don’t care if other teams are signing the middle of the road free agents that aren’t going to do crap but make us win another 10 meaningless games.

Of course they aren’t...but throwing $ at the Porcello’s and other mediocre players of the world isn’t going to win them a WS either. There has to be some situational awareness here. We aren’t anywhere close to adding a few mediocre role player to winning anything. Criticize them for not being able to close the deal on Wheeler all you want. That’s fair. But being upset about missing out on lesser talent makes no sense to me.

You’re entitled to your opinions and I’m not going to tell you you’re wrong, but sounds like you want to spend $ just for the sake of spending $. Id rather spend $ to build a WS contender than just to try and build a team that wins 80 games next year. That does nothing for me personally. Yes it sucks that we will never be in on the top of the top free agents, but that’s something you’re just going to have to accept. We are in the same boat as probably 22-24 other teams in that regard though.

What other move besides Wheeler would you have liked them to make? If you went into the off season expecting Cole/Stras you were setting yourself up

Then don’t be a fan? If you’re just going to hold a grudge for every past mistake what’s the point? Encarnacion is a damn good hitter and it makes sense to have a stop gap until Vaughn is ready.

There’s nothing to b**** about if Encarnacion is signed. People are just b****ing to b**** at this point

Last season it was a cyst on his wrist he had surgery to remove. I don’t think there’s any reason to think his arm is shot/compromised in any way. But obviously you can’t completely ignore the total time missed in the past few years either

Even more entertaining than the rumors themselves are the wild conclusions people jump to based on very vague info.

I don’t see why they wouldn’t face 90% positive matchups throughout the year...especially with the new 3 batter rule for pitchers. Whether or not Engel keeps up his very small sample size split vs LH is fair. Leury on the other hand, does have good career splits vs LH

I guess that came off more harsh than intended. I didn’t mean it to come off as “the front office is clueless.” I just find it really hard to connect the dots to a huge signing like Rendon because we got a RF that didn’t cost a lot. That just seems like a pretty big reach/pipe dream. But you’re right, who knows is the real answer. Anything other than 1 of Keuchel/Ryu/Bum is going to shock me at this point. Hopefully they really do have something up their sleeve that shocks me in a good way.

Not criticizing the overall plan...but I think the much more likely plan our FO had behind the Mazara trade was “cheap, LH, hits HR’s, and is young enough to sell his potential”. I highly doubt there was an in-depth master plan behind it.

I can see checking the price on Mazara as a buy low candidate if he’s being actively shopped, but no one should ever have to “work hard” to get Mazara. I’d do a failed prospect for failed prospect trade tho...Fulmer and Rutherford for Mazara? Maybe even still too much to give up?

Phillies are building 1 hell of a weird team that I don’t think is ever going to get them anywhere. Some interesting pieces to fit into the puzzle + still have starters (even after wheeler) and a bull pen that needs a lot of help.

Why would the A’s want Semien as SS when we knew he couldn’t play there? Not every scouting department sees things exactly the same way, and ours sure isn’t infallible. Not saying whether Collins is or isn’t a capable catcher because I haven’t watched him enough, but it’s certainly not crazy that another team would be willing to take that chance. Especially since Collins would have a near elite bat if he can stay behind the plate

Yeah I just think people are going a little overboard with the Red Sox stuff thinking we can take their players off their hands for free. Im sure their ownership doesn’t want to pay senseless millions because of the luxury tax, but at the same time I’m pretty positive they aren’t anywhere near broke and desperate either. I don’t think they’d have to add much $ to Price’s 2021/2022 years to get legit prospects back for him and Benintendi

Obviously the $64 owed to Price in 2021 and 2022 is the main issue...but with that said, is there really that much excess $ involved between Price and Beni that we could get them for virtually free as many seem to be suggesting? Both are projected at 2.6 WAR for 2020 and will make a combined $38M next year. Even at a fair $8M per WAR you are looking at $41M+ in value for those 2, which in theory doesn’t make them negative assets. Just playing devil’s advocate here...it will come down to Price’s medicals for sure. But I believe his issue last year was due to a cyst on his wrist that was removed? Not a structural arm issue? If Bumgarner is worth 5/100...3/96 for Price all of sudden doesn’t look THAT bad considering the lack of potential impact arms available.

Might not be the most popular choice but I can see Marte/Archer being an option too

Not that it means it’s set in stone or anything, but Rockies reportedly aren’t interested in moving Gray. https://www.mlb.com/news/rockies-plans-taking-shape

He seems to be getting a decent amount of traction now and haven’t seen us as a rumor but Lindblom makes a lot of sense to me. Will be extremely cheap (relatively speaking) and always had legit big league stuff. Not a ton of other options out there that haven’t been mentioned yet...Wacha the name is interesting but don’t think he has much left. Suppose we could kick the tires on Yamaguchi from Japan....

There’s no doubt the Sox should keep playing the system and leave all 3 in the minors to gain an extra year of control. Now whether the system is completely fair for the players or not is a whole different discussion...but then again, that’s the players’ responsibility to fight for their best interest in the CBA. Im sure there will be a fight over this subject in the next negotiations coming up soon

Lol there’s nothing personal. I’m watching college football, drinking a beer, and discussing baseball. What could be better? We’re just having a discussion as far as I’m concerned. I’m from the north east, and NJ more specifically, that makes me argumentative by nature I guess. And if you would have lead with some stats or more substance from the beginning we probably wouldn’t have gotten this far. You have to admit your “I saw a highlight” argument was a little lame. I havent seen the stats you posted, thanks. I’ll now have to look into the advanced advanced defensive stats for Ozuna.

But you are selling something...that Ozuna is “well below average” on defense when the data doesn’t support that at all. And your reasoning is hearsay and cherry picked highlights to make Ozuna look bad. I’m sure you are smart enough to realize that it wouldn’t be difficult to also cherry pick Ozuna’s 10 best plays that make him look like a great defender. And again, id bet you didn’t actually see 10 plays. You probably saw 5 and it’s now “about 10” to make your argument sound better. Absolutely no idea what you’re trying to get at with the Soriano reference. Ozuna has played OF his entire career and has positive stats the entire time. If you would have responded with your reasoning being “I watched 50 cardinals games last year” I’d be all ears to your opinions. But I’ll gladly believe what the stats tell me.

Ahh so because that 1 time you saw a compilation of his “about” 10-12 worst plays over the whole year (I’ll take the under on your about considering he made 4 errors) I’m supposed to throw out the collection of stats that is widely accepted for every other player? Except the players you have a negative bias against apparently Sorry, I’ll take a hard pass on what you’re selling as brutal.