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What are you basing brutal off of? Because the #’s don’t back you up. Now I’m honestly not the biggest fan of defensive stats so I’m open to evidence. Did you watch him play extensively? I just feel like he had a very public blunder in the playoffs and now has a bad reputation. OR defensive stats aren’t reliable and shouldn’t be used in further discussions. I truly don’t care either way, but there needs to be a line drawn to have an honest discussion.

The post said anything Under 60...so yeah I still probably left a vague 6/7 mil gap, didn’t put that much thought into it obviously. 3/51 as the max I’m perfectly fine with is a more coherent way to put it.

Just want to say this: Either Ozuna is a solid defender, or no one should be referencing advanced defensive stats again. Because you can’t support things like DRS and UZR and then also call Ozuna a bad defender. I’m not going to pretend to have watched Ozuna enough to have a valid opinion on his D either way, but there seems to be some hypocrisy going on.

I don’t mind Ozuna...but will depend on the $ and years obviously. Anything under 3/60 is perfectly fine with me. 4 years I wouldn’t be a fan of. And anything over 18 per year would be kind of crazy. But as far as Ozuna as a fit...he’s a legit above average MLB hitter. We should be thankful if we get another 1 of those in the lineup. Playing RF isn’t ideal, but I don’t think he’ll hurt the team there either. Probably a 0-+5 DRS kind of guy. I can see why someone wouldn’t be excited about Ozuna, but your expectations are probably set way too high if you’re flat out upset by an Ozuna signing.

Mechanics are horrible and he looks off balance on almost every pitch...but damn is that arm motion smooth and natural for a guy throwing 100+. I can see why pitching coaches would salivate over him. Needs a complete overhaul of his mechanics. Just start him in the stretch and pick his leg up and throw, simple as possible. Of course still a long shot tho

Gotta have some risk for the reward....Personally I’m not willing to forfeit potential for the perceived safeness of Bum/Keuchle. Those guys are going to come to the AL and be 3rd stater inning eater type. I’ll take the risk of Ryu being a 1/2.

Ryu is the obvious next target imo. Huge upside without the $100+Mil commitment. I’d offer him 3/66 and see if there’s higher offers. 4 years is a tough pill to swallow with him, but I feel like the relatively low total commitment for a potential ace is too hard to pass up. Is 3/72 really all that crazy for Ryu?...if the doctors feel ok with his medicals of course. Is a 3/4 mil per year overpay really going to affect the Sox and their payroll situation?

There’s way too many possibilities left to be upset this early. Grandal + Ryu Encarnacion Joc That would still be a great off season in my opinion. Fills DH + RF without making any crazy long term commitments to questionable free agents. Vaughn will be up next year and giving Castellanos/Ozuna 16+ mil to play RF for the next 4 years is honestly pretty scary. Pitching will clearly define this off season tho

Thanks for the response, at least it’s not just me I guess

So I’ve thought this forum was down for 4-5 days now because every time I tried to go to this site on my iPhone 10 with safari I got a “not acceptable 406 error.” I finally tried on my laptop and realized that the forum seems to be operating perfectly fine. Has anyone ever experience this before or know what I can do to get it working? The site worked perfectly fine on my phone up until last week. I went to safari settings and cleared my history/data and still nothing. I’ve also just noticed that if I request the desktop site it works (how I’m posting now), but the mobile site just doesn’t work . The error screen i get every time is copied/pasted below. Thanks for any help, could really use my Sox fix during work hrs lol Not Acceptable An appropriate representation of the requested resource could not be found on this server. Additionally, a 406 Not Acceptable error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

1. It depends on how many teams are actually in on the Cole/Strasburg sweepstakes. If Wheeler’s agent know it’s 5/6 it wouldn’t make sense to sign now, but if there are only 2-4 it would make sense that the offers he’s getting now may be the best. 2. I think this year is different with Wheeler being the clear consolation prize to the top arms. Keuchel had a lot ?’s and is pretty much the antithesis to Wheeler in terms of advanced stats and projection going forward. I suppose someone could view Ryu/Bum as just as good options, but those 2 seem to have niche markets. of course this is my interpretation from afar with 0 inside knowledge.

Could be wrong, but I still think Wheeler is going to wait it out. Signing before the 2 big arms go wouldn’t make much sense from a pure business stand point. But hopefully our offer is good enough that he has to take it, we’ll see

Fair point, you could be correct...to me that would mean Marte or any all-star level RF is unobtainable without trading any of the untouchable prospects tho. I think collins would have interest on the trade market, but we’d be shopping a tier lower if he’s the center piece of a package in my opinion. Which is perfectly fine...I’d be happy with someone like Haniger or Nimmo, or even vets like Reddick, Markakis or FA Gardner that probably wouldn’t even cost Collins

I think it would have to be more for Marte...3 war 2 consecutive seasons and has essentially a 2/23M contract. That’s a lot of excess value for a very good player. Hard to come up with a deal that another team couldn’t easily beat without involving 1 of Vaughn, Madrigal, Kopech, Robert or Cease...which obviously we don’t want to do. Maybe Lopez + Collins is a good enough starter to draw them in? Add in a Steiver or Walker as the 3rd piece and I think we would have a shot. Steiver + Walker as the 2nd and 3rd pieces for an all-star level player would be way too much of question marks for me if I was a pirates fan. Not like Collins is a can’t miss A level prospect.

I hope Hahn is on the phone with Cherington in Pitt. He’s sure to blow things up and they have a few guys that make sense for us Sign Wheeler and Encarnacion Trade Collins, Dunning, Rutherford, and Lenny Sosa for Starling Marte and Keone Kela Robert Marte Moncada Abreu Grandal Eloy Encarnacion TA Madrigal That would be outrageous

Abreu should DH, wouldn’t affect Vaughn playing 1B. Collins is now the 1 you have to wonder if it’s possible to get AB’s. He’ll likely be a trade chip

$18M in 2021 is absolutely insane. Inexcusable really, no team would have offered this kind of contract.

Do you know why the majority of those 150 pitchers didn’t qualify? Because they got replaced for pitching like Lopez did. White Sox were too bad to replace Lopez so therefore he accumulated fwar by simply having a pulse every 5 days. Hence why I think fWAR is a very flawed stat when isolated to compare players, especially pitchers. But clearly we aren’t going to come to agreement and I’m over it. Enjoy your night

My point was that 5 FIP is not the norm at all like you tried to say. Pitchers get replaced when they pitch that poorly, as the evidence shows so few guys pitching significant innings with a 5 FIP. Reynaldo only accumulated that fWAR because the white Sox couldn’t field 5 competent SP’s and he had to stay in the rotation. This discussion really isn’t even about Lopez, I think he should be in the rotation for at least a few months next year...it’s more about the idea of using 1 stat like fWAR and thinking it tells the whole story. Which is nonsense. There’s always a much bigger picture. In this case it’s the fact that fWAR is a flawed stat that gives too much value for simply taking the mound every 5 days. And while I agree staying healthy is important for a SP, it doesn’t change the fact that Lopez wasn’t affective last year. If Lopez is on probably 25 (pure guess) other teams last year he never approaches 2 fwar because he would have been in AAA.

Reynaldo was 1 of 3 SP’s that threw 160 IP with FIP over 5. Leake and Porecello were the other 2.

Ok sure...but my point still stands of how many pitchers are allowed to throw 180+ innings of 5+era ball? Not many, most lose their job. If this were counting stats you’d guys would be on the complete opposite side of the argument. But a player simply staying healthy and accumulating fwar is different? You’ll have to explain that to me.

I never said he doesn’t have value. I fully understand durability is an asset. My argument was against Lopez being a top 15 SP in the AL, which in my opinion is flat out wrong.

4.6 to 5.03 is insignificant? And sure it’s valuable...if you’re effective. Lopez would have been replaced by most teams in the league, he just happened to be playing for a team that was in full rebuild mode. Having a pulse shouldn’t be celebrated in my opinion, but we can agree to disagree. I just prefer more context than “well fangraphs said so”, there should be a bigger picture with more than just 1 cherry picked stat that fits your agenda

This is my problem with advanced stats, especially when people quote 1 stat like it’s the Bible without any real context. 1. Lopez’s fwar was the exact same in 2018 and 2019. How could that be possible?? 2. According to fwar Lopez was more valuable than Abreu. And trust me I’m not a big Abreu fan and don’t care about his rbi title...but that’s still just dumb. fWar seems to give pitchers extra value just for having a pulse and not getting injured/being on a team that is too bad to replace him.

Sure, but the tweet I quoted made it seem as if the Sox would sign 2 legit starters. Seems like a waste of resources to me. Sign 1 (wheeler) and then get a cheap guy that can make 10 or so starts and then shift to the pen.