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QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 12:35 PM) We will see. Adrian Nieto looked like a decent back up catcher a couple of years ago. Nobody is saying that Narvaez is the answer at catcher, but I think he could be a decent backup option. He seems to be roughly average defensively, and his bat was decent in his 34 game showing in 2016. He has done enough to be given at least a platoon shot in 2017

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 10:48 AM) People will forget Narvaez was even a White Sox in 2 years. We can only hope He deserves to get a shot in 2017 to prove himself though. He turns 25 in February and could be a solid backup option for us. He is really cheap depth, might as well keep him around

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 10:59 AM) I think fans everywhere are starving for some action. There seems to be more decent players still looking for homes at this point than any year I can remember. A lot of teams still have a lot of work left. I feel like most teams have done absolutely nothing this offseason, which is strange Outside of the Sale and Eaton big trades, plus a few free agent signings, there has not been that much activity and a ton of players still have not signed

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 10:52 AM) With Cabrera, Anderson, Frazier, and Lawrie all on this roster, you have 2 guys there who played 150-158 games in each of the last 2 years, Anderson who played 154 last year, and a guy who is regularly injured for 2 months. Basically, your setup seems very likely to me to wind up with Saladino playing 60 games when he has to sub for the injured Lawrie and 15 games elsewhere. This board is starving for a Q update

QUOTE (NorthSideSox72 @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 08:27 AM) Narvaez is going to be fine defensively. He's got an average arm paired with a quick release and he likes back picks, so he should be average to slightly above against the running game. Fairly quiet receiver, I've heard positive notes from pitchers working with him. Fairly athletic. Overall average defensively, and I think he's got enough ability to get on base to be a major league backup. Smith has a stronger arm and is more athletic, but mechanically he's still pretty rough and not a great receiver. Pitchers like working with him though, he's very good on that front. How good his receiving skills can get will dictate his future. There is some offensive potential, but the bat isn't quick and I am not sure he can make enough contact. He does draw some walks and has some raw power. But he's going to be 29 in 2017, so there really isn't a lot of projection left, like there is with Narvaez. My view is, bring in a veteran to platoon with Narvaez, who I think is more likely to be a major league-caliber catcher than Smith. Narvaez will be in the mix moving forward, but I'd like to see the White Sox also bring in a veteran to split time as well. He was solid enough in 34 games down the stretch to get a lengthy look in 2017 His career minor league OBP is .353 and he posted a .350 obp in 34 mlb games, which is encouraging. I'll take average defense at this point.

QUOTE (RockfordJim @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 08:11 AM) The Indians, having signed Encarnacion are clearly all in (as they should be) and certainly need a starting pitcher. Although trading in your division is not always attractive, the Sox know they're going to stink for two or three years, so by the time they're ready to compete, Q's contract will be nearly over. Their prospect list includes three position players I think would be most attractive in a trade-Zimmer (outfielder) Bradley (1B) and Meja a catcher. Thoughts? I can't see us trading Quintana in the division so that we have to face him all season. Cleveland is unlikely to want to clean out the rest of their farm as well.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 29, 2016 -> 07:57 AM) I understand the value of prospects is high but this is a hilarious take on why the cubs should not trade for Q. Odd point of view considering Lackey could retire after '17 and Arietta a FA after '17 though I'd expect the cubs to extend him. But hey, if the writer thinks Ross can help lead them to the promised land then so be it. Funny thing is that of the prospects the Sox would likely want back, Jimenez is the only one the cubs would have room for down the road. Happ is a 2B blocked by Zobrist and Baez and Candelario is blocked by Bryant. Oh well, was a fun read while I wait for my coffee to kick in. http://cubbiescrib.com/2016/12/28/chicago-...te-sox-quintana I actually think he is set on testing the free agent market, unless the Cubs end up being one of the highest bidders. I have the idea of shelling out a huge contract to a pitcher on the wrong side of 30. Paying $75 million plus to three players is not ideal.

QUOTE (RockfordJim @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 04:02 PM) That guy stole my post from yesterday! Happ + Jimenez + Candelario + would be a solid framework for a Quintana deal It would hurt their minor league depth, but greatly position the Cubs rotation moving forward and create insurance against Arrieta leaving in free agency Happ is totally blocked in the infield and Jimenez is several years away from the majors Candelario is blocked as well Cubs rotation would be totally stacked for 2017 Could be a win-win deal

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:42 PM) Neither the bullpen nor the rotation are a mess at all. There is no surefire stud, but the Angels have a set rotation with Alex Meyer acting as a bullpen piece or 6th starter. They have some decent arms in the pen, though no one that really jumps out either way. They have probably an average lineup or so, but Trout takes it to the next level. Without Trout, I'd probably say they are a 75-79 win team, barring significant injuries. You add Trout to that and they are an 83-87 win team. The players around Trout really do not have to be all that great, because Trout is all that great. 4.60 ERA for the starting rotation 3.77 for relivers 21st in the mlb overall middle of the pack offense Zero prospect depth. Things are likely going to get worse before they get better though

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:27 PM) They're definitely going to grab a Carter or Lind type player before spring training to DH and also potential flip for anything in July candidate. Eventually they will need to fill the DH spot with a player like that, agreed

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:26 PM) But that also describes Detroit, KC, Baltimore and Seattle. And Toronto and Texas are only in slightly better positions. I see each of those teams in declinem likely forcing a rebuild within the next few seasons

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:25 PM) It's not a bad place to be either, and they have more resources to bring in supplemental players. Pujols is not getting any younger, and is still under contract for years Richards has not been healthy, the bullpen is a mess, the rotation is a mess, and the existing core of position players outside of Trout is not all that great

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:23 PM) Are they really that far from contending either way? Two years ago they missed the playoffs by one game. And I'm not so sure the AL is going to be as strong this year (which worries me about our chances at the #1 pick). The Rangers are going to regress hard (they played like a .500 team that got extraordinarily lucky this year and I'm not really that impressed with their current roster), and while Boston, Cleveland and Houston look like clear division favorites Texas/Seattle/Detroit/KC/Baltimore/Toronto/NYY are roughly .500ish teams and I'd put the Angels about on that level as well. Even last year their run differential was just -10, and they were hit hard by injuries. Being roughly .500, with an awful farm system is not a good place to be. See "White Sox last decade" (minus Trout) Their rotation is not playoff worthy, neither is their bullpen. Zero reinforcements coming from the farm system either. I do not see a path to contending.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:14 PM) But OTOH you're getting 25 year old Mickey Mantle. The proposal I made going to Anaheim probably isn't enough anyways. O posted this in the other thread, but the Sox could offer (theoretically) Quintana + Moncada + Giolito + One more of our top prospects (Kopech/Lopez/Collins) For Trout 25 year old Mantle is enticing, but the risk he gets hurt and the deal blows up on you is too high.

QUOTE (bighurt574 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 02:11 PM) Depends what they can get, but I'm not sure trading Trout is going to magically rejuvenate the franchise. We at least had 3 elite pieces to move. They're a long way from contending either way. They may be better off just holding him to give the fans something to show up for. I assume any package would require a combo of young MLB talent plus prospects. You could certainly envision a team like the Cubs putting together some interesting proposals. Cubs do not have the elite pitching prospects required Frankly, I don't know if any team has the prospects and young mlb talent to get a Trout deal completed Trout is worth (roughly) $225.00 million in surplus value (likely more), which equates to an untradeable asset. No team can possibly afford to offer up anywhere near that level of value back...except maybe the White Sox with a package of: Quintana + Moncada + Giolito + one more quality prospect (Lopez/Collins/Kopech esque) The risk Trout gets injured is just too high to offer up what it would take

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:54 PM) If they trade Quintana and everything they got from the Red Sox and Nationals for Trout they would still have a better team and org built around Trout than the Angels do now. I'd rather have the remaining White Sox "core" of Abreu, Melky, Anderson, Rodon, Migo, Robertson, Jones, Frazier etc. than the Angels' Calhoun, Richards (broken), Simmons, Cron and Shoemaker. Not to mention the Sox would still have a handful of top 100 guys and an exciting 2016 draft class whereas the Angels have done very little to improve one of the worst farm systems of all time. Give it a shot. Who knows, what if Trout gets better as he enters the prime of his prime? Our system would be back to being razor thin though. Trout would hugely improve the White Sox the next four seasons, but unloading: Quintana, Moncada, Kopech, Giolito, Lopez, Dunning, Basabe and Diaz for one player would be absurd...even for Trout We would be giving up 6 seasons of control for most of those players

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 27, 2016 -> 02:30 PM) Chris Crawford is a prospect and draft writer for ESPN and Rotoworld. He has prospect guides for a very modest price (a few $$) that can be yours. They are fantastic. I can't post them but I will talk about what's in it and recommend them to all. 1. Yoan Moncada 2B: Hit 60, Power 55, Speed 70, Glove 50, Arm 60. Still the #1 prospect in baseball. Floor is an average regular with 20 SB's per year. Ceiling: MVP Candidate 2. Lucas Giolito RHP: 70FB, 70 CRV, 55CHG, 55 COMM. Crawford thinks people dropping Giolito down prospect lists are insane. Still best pitching prospect in baseball. 3. Michael Kopech RHP: 80 FB, 55SL, 50CHG, 45 COMM. Best FB in minor leagues. Ceiling: TOR Floor: Dominant Reliever 4. Reynaldo Lopez: Electric stuff. Crawford thinks he's probably a reliever but chance to start. 5. Zach Collins C. All Star if he can stay at C. A lot better defensively than he was early in college. 6. Alec Hansen RHP: If command can be fringe/average, he could be very good. 7. Dane Dunning RHP: Good body. Mid-Rotation Upside. 8. Luis Alexander Basabe CF: Offensive skill-set very volatile. All-Star Ceiling but Floor of 4th/5th OF 9. Zach Burdi: Best Relief PItching prospect in baseball 10. Carson Fulmer RHP: Bullpen. Crawford has never really been a fan. 11. Spencer Adams: Only 20. Really high floor of back-end SP. 12. Charlie Tilson: Big fan. Probably 4th OF but could have "long big league career" 13. Jordan Stephens RHP: "If 45 Changeup can get to average, he'll be a big riser". 14. Jameson Fisher: Loves hit tool. Probably DH or 1B though with 40 Throw, GL, and Speed. 15. Adam Engel CF: Legit 80 runner. Doesn't think he'll hit enough to let speed play. 16. Micker Adolfo OF 17. Jake Peter: Thinks he'll help White Sox this season 18. Jordan Guerrero LHP 19. Alex Call: "If he can stay in CF, this ranking will look foolish" 20. Luis Curbelo: Big fan of draft pick. Probably 2B with power/speed combo. The White Sox did Fulmer a disservice by aggressively pushing him to the mlb in 2016 He really needs a full season in AAA to work on his control. I think his floor could be a quality 7th inning bullpen piece or setup man I would not give up on him starting though. It's too soon to make that call.

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:48 PM) Yea if I were them I'd go for a soft reboot. Move what they can now for near-ready talent, try and clear money whenever and wherever possible. Trout will be playing his age 25 season this year so they still have a lot of prime left in him, they can afford to punt 1 year of him. The problem is their farm is awful, like worst system in the mlb awful. Their pitching is ugly, and what tradeable pieces outside of Trout do they really have?

QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:44 PM) Yes. I'd do just about anything to get Mickey Mantle on the White Sox. We could totally gut the rebuild plane before it takes off and offer up a franchise crippling mega deal to the Angels for Trout...we arguably have the prospects to get it done now. The cost would be unfathomable though

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:42 PM) Absolutely. Two seasons of Trout would get us a way better package than 4 seasons of Quintana right now. The issue would be the timeline. By the time the prospects landed in return for Trout were ready, the service clock on existing pieces would already be ticking. It would not add up for us or the Angels

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:38 PM) Yah, I suppose for now they can continue to try to scrap together a competitive team around him, but at some point they have to realized that they're never going to be very good over the next 4 years with him. Blowing away his prime like they are is just sad. The Angels had 74 wins in 2016, and 2017 is not looking any better That team won't compete against the Astros, Rangers or Mariners

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:35 PM) I would. If things go very wrong in the next couple of years we could still trade Trout for a huge haul. With only two seasons of control? Give me the cheap prospect package for what the White Sox need right now

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:26 PM) I don't really see any realistic Trout trade where they end up with better value than Trout is currently providing though. I'm not saying they will trade him, but the Angels ship is sinking and land is nowhere in sight 5 more seasons of Albert Pujols will be brutal as he continues to decline

QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 01:30 PM) Pure entertainment: Would you trade (you personally) Quintana to Angels for the rights to Mike Trout for his 2019 and 2020 seasons? That's it! Four years of Q for two years of Mike Trout. As entertaining as it would be, no. This team still has a ton of holes to fill, and we need several top prospects under long term control in exchange for him

QUOTE (southside hitman @ Dec 28, 2016 -> 08:45 AM) I bet that Yency Almonte for Kahnle trade last off-season is one Hahn wishes he had back. For sure Hahn would, but you can't win every trade