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QUOTE (dpd9189 @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 11:36 PM) I would do that trade in a heartbeat. One guy plays everyday and the other plays every 5th day. Plus 2-3 more years of control with Schwarber and he doesn't have to play the field. He was only up in the big leagues for 3 months and was hands down the best player for the Cubs in the playoffs. Would love him on the Sox. Ignoring the merits of Q/Schwarber, I'm very tired of the bolded characterization of pitcher value. Manny Machado had the most plate appearances in MLB last year with 713. Jose Quintana faced 862 batters. This "every 5th day" thing is misleading at best.

QUOTE (Eminor3rd @ Nov 23, 2015 -> 09:11 AM) Do you guys not know who Justin Turner is (despite the OP typo)? He's awesome, but I wouldn't want him back in a Q trade since AFAIK he only has one year before free agency. He doesn't do much good for the team constructed in the article.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Nov 20, 2015 -> 01:28 AM) There is little point is selling this low on him. At this point you give him another 300 PA before July and see what happens. If he sucks, well s***. If he shows something, hell, that's good. He needs to hit 290/330/450 to have positive value. Maybe he can do it. I'd say maybe 40/100 odds. No. That is a mistake the Sox have made before. You have to know when to give up on a guy. That time with Avi is right now.

QUOTE (SCCWS @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 03:07 PM) How do you think that was a haul. Buchholz was in his first season and was a Top 5 prospect in MLB but none of the other players were even top 50 MLB prospect in 2008/2009. Masterson, Bard and Doubront all made the majors and stuck for some time but they were not top MLB prospects. Now I don't think Sale will be traded. But if so to say the Red Sox, Hahn should want established young ML talent not prospects. I can see why Seattle turned this down. I think you're understating the hype around Bard at the time, as a first round pick who was lighting it up. Reddick was top 100. Bowden was #31 in at least one publication. Hagadone would be top 50 the following year. Masterson had already made an impact in the majors. We can argue the definition of haul, but it's certainly not a BS offer, and I don't know why we'd expect much more for Sale. I'd want the Sox to turn it down too.

Look again at the oft-cited offer Boston gave Seattle for Felix Hernandez. Seattle could have any five of these guys: Clay Buchholz Daniel Bard Michael Bowden Justin Masterson Nick Hagadone Josh Reddick Yamaico Navarro Felix Doubront That would have been a haul at the time. Only three of those guys became anything in the majors and none has ever reached Felix's level. If the Sox blew it all up, they could do better than that or worse than that, but it would probably look about like that, with maybe 2 or 3 times the quantity of names when you add Q, Abreu, Eaton, et al to Sale. There are so many options, but there's no guarantee a fire sale leaves us in better shape for, say, 2018 than we are now.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 11:25 AM) The funny thing is this is demonstrating that this is exactly what Kenny is doing. He isn't saying this is our plan, or my plan. He is asking Rick Hahn for HIS plan. Yes, but as was established earlier in the thread, Kenny is often full of poop.

QUOTE (IowaSoxFan @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 11:08 AM) KW just needs to go away and let Rick have a chance to steer the ship. The conflicting approaches leave the Sox in purgatory, not enough commitment to either win now or to build up the system from the bottom up. AA left his job in Toronto because he did not want the micromanagement from Shapiro the way that KW is there to manage Hahn. Too many cooks in the kitchen. I agree, I really wish this would happen. Not even because of the quotes that spawned this thread. People argue about - and we don't know - which moves Hahn is more responsible for making and which are KW's. It doesn't matter, it's beside the point. I just want KW out of the way.

Such foul language in the thread title! If you trade Q, just don't screw it up. That's all I ask.

QUOTE (fathom @ Nov 18, 2015 -> 09:52 AM) I stopped listening to what KW said a long time ago, as it's usually never honest.

Craig Mish @CraigMish Growing sentiment around Baseball and internally with the @marlins is Jose Fernandez will be traded this offseason. 11:24 AM - 17 Nov 2015

What if the Sox went to Sale after next season and told him they'll rip up the team options for 2018-19 if he signs a 5-year/$100 million contract for 2018-22. Sale gets a nice raise on those option years, $100M of guaranteed money where he had $0 before, and the chance for another contract at age 33. The Sox get three additional seasons from him at below market value. $100M seems low and I have a feeling it wouldn't be enough to get him to sign, but keep in mind that the Sox are taking on a lot more risk from Sale in this scenario; in his current deal, they hold all the cards. A number exists where he'd accept and it'd still be worth it for the Sox. $125?

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Nov 17, 2015 -> 08:24 AM) I'd be willing to bet that Sale would get $400+ million if he was on the open market this offseason. Lol I'll take that bet. That's like $34 million a year for 12 years.

Yeah, Melky has negative trade value and Robertson is good but too expensive to give up players for. If the plan is to chop as much salary as possible and test the youth, that's fine, but don't expect much back for those two.

QUOTE (flavum @ Nov 13, 2015 -> 03:48 PM) I'm not worried until they say he accepts. Even then, I don't think I'd be pissed if he comes back for one more year. It can't get worse, and they could always have a chance to win with the guy, or trade him in July. We'll see... Yep, even an acceptance isn't really a problem. Not ideal, but everybody here acknowledges he'll probably bounce back next year. Wouldn't be so bad if it was with us.

He'll decline it. He'd be leaving more money on the table than Rasmus/Wieters and he didn't like it here.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 12, 2015 -> 02:17 PM) MLB Network PR ‏@MLBNetworkPR 55m55 minutes ago Todd Steverson on Avisail Garcia:"His plate recognition needs to improve..if that improves, we've got a heck of a mediocre player." #MLBNow @whitesox

^^^ Last two posts, well said. EJ should spend the entire year in the rotation. Let him work. I doubt he has much value now.

Alexei will be back.

I went about 3 years in a row before I stopped. It just wasn't worth the time and I remember the quality of the items - or at least my interest in them - deteriorating every year. If you aren't willing to shell out big money for the good stuff, then it's just a bunch of photos of Joe Borchard or whatever. Stuff nobody wants.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 06:44 PM) Jeff Samardzija will return to being a very good mid rotation starter, perhaps even #2 level if in the NL. It just didn't work out here - time to wish him best, take the pick, and move on.

QUOTE (Leonard Zelig @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 01:54 PM) The Sox have plenty of players making 6 figures. Everybody in the league makes six figures. Probably meant 9.

This would be cool, hope it happens.

QUOTE (SoxPride18 @ Nov 11, 2015 -> 10:45 AM) Do you know he was just arrested for domestic violence? I think based on the "he just got cheaper" comment to end the post, yes he knows. I'm gonna take a hard pass on Reyes, even before considering he's an alleged wife beater.

QUOTE (Dunt @ Nov 10, 2015 -> 10:16 PM) Tyler Flowers was our best defender: http://sabr.org/sdi/2015-final If the Sox want to get better quickly this offseason, first order of business is the outfield defense. Absolutely atrocious showing by those 3 in 2015. Thanks for this link. A little surprised Sanchez didn't do better. I've been favoring a quiet offseason for the Sox focused more on building for the next couple years, but man I wouldn't mind having Heyward. Throw everything at him, he'll probably opt out when he's 31 anyway. Keuchel being leagues ahead of every other pitcher is interesting.

It's not all just bad defense that raised Sale's ERA. The other major difference between FIP (fWAR) and RA (bWAR) is the FIP is unconcerned with the order in which things happen. Sale was absolutely dominant for long stretches, but he also made his own bed with that ERA by allowing a lot of big innings. Putting all the blame on the guys behind him, especially for a pitcher with such a high strikeout rate, distracts from problems that Chris actually did have this year. He still should have been ahead of Gray, but ultimately who cares if he finishes third or fourth. If you ain't first, you're last.