Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:58 PM) How much is a team going to pay in prospects to then pay Machado market price? Obviously there’s value to having the negotiating window, just not sure what that price would be. I don't really know but it just seems like that could be beat. Say by the Cardinals for example who almost just took on majority of the Stanton deal. Fulmer and Cease just seems low as it seems both seem more destined to be relievers than starters long-term. Edit: eh I shouldn't have said that about Fulmer but his value isn't high at all currently anyway.

QUOTE (beautox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:54 PM) Cease and Fulmer/Adams is where I personally would be at for a 72 hour window and in terms of a contract 350M with an opt out after 4 years and a complete NTC. Move him to short and move TA to 3B/OF I would also be blowing up Miami for Yelich, going off of last years #'s his surplus value is roughly 95.5M. Move Abreu and Avisail for prospects add them to the offer. They want 2 arms for one year of Machado. With a window to negotiate and possibly come to a long-term deal, why would people think it wouldn't take more?

QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:48 PM) I’d do Cease and Dunning if I got the window. Lol it wouldn't be that simple. If teams could get a window, the price goes up. Other teams could beat that.

QUOTE (Tony @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 06:02 PM) Man, I disagree with all of this. I don't think anyone is suggesting the Sox acquire Machado for 1 year and just roll the dice, unless the acquisition cost would be minimal, which we all know won't happen. If they can get a 72 hour window for an extension, it's worth some semi-serious pieces so you don't have to worry about 29 other teams in FA. Otherwise, no trade. In terms of the Yankees.....no, the Sox rebuild is not doomed because New York may acquire Machado. "Semi-serious?" Other teams could get the extension window and offer serious ones.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 04:28 PM) Even if we were able to reach an extension agreement with him as a condition of a trade - I would still want nothing to do with such a swap. Give me Lopez and Gio all day over him. Well it would likely take more if there was an extension agreement, ha. Not that I disagree with you. I also don't think the Sox would pull the trigger on what it would take.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) I'm clearly interested if we're talking about top guys. I'm not sure I'm as interested if we're talking about iffy guys. Our system is pretty full with that right now. I meant Yankees dealing him at 10/ year would probably want some low-level prospects back. He should have value at that price. No way they would deal Ellsbury, half his contract and then a prospect like Frazier on top of it to a team.

QUOTE (kwolf68 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 01:15 PM) Nick Burdi, Twins spec, available in Thursdays Rule V draft. Out half of next year with TJS, but certainly a good arm. Are we in a time warp?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 04:08 PM) You're not getting both of those prospects if they put in that much money. I just posted in the other thread, but at $10m/year, they would be looking to get a couple prospects for him at that price (no top prospects of course).

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) The rumor is that the Yankees have been willing to eat about half of that. If they ate half of his deal, I don't think it would be much of a salary dump. I think at $10m a year, they'd be looking for a solid piece, not add young pieces to get rid of him.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 02:49 PM) Yeah, forget Ellsbury. He's not going anywhere. Gardner is the Yankee to focus on. If the Sox were willing to take on Gardner and his salary, it would alleviate the need for the Yanks to rotate their outfielders through the DH spot and would leave a hole there.. Expand the trade to Yolmer/Abreu (Yanks new DH) for Gardner/Frazier/Sheffield/McKinney. If that's not enough, tell Cashman that Dombrowski is on the other line offering Benintendi. He's actually not getting paid terribly though. And is actually good.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 02:41 PM) He's not a boras client Oh for some reason I thought he was. Nonetheless, he still seems likely the type of guy who would lean more towards most money. Edit: Just looked it up. His agency negotiated the Pujols and Votto contracts.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 01:48 PM) If Machado wants to be a full time SS should we pursue someone else? Arenado? Donaldson is already in decline Money talks. I think he follows the money (Boras client). If money is very similar if not even, then I would think he would go to whichever team plays him at SS/best chance of winning.

QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 12:42 PM) I would take him on if it means getting a nice prospect like Frazier or Sheffield and SOME cash relief. Maybe like $15M thrown in. He has 3 years left on his deal, but money shouldn't be an issue any of those years. I can't see the Yankees dealing one of those guys if they aren't clearing the entire salary. I would think they would be better off using Frazier in a deal for a pitcher.

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 12:37 PM) Both Cameron and Sawchik on Fangraphs mentioned us as a possible trade partner for the Yankees to dump Ellsbury to buy a prospect like Frazier or Sheffield. Not that big a fan of that idea however. I did look back at his contract and see that it is about $21 million each year (I initially thought it was like $25) for the next 3 years. I feel like if they offered one of those guys, I would probably take it and then play Ellsbury and hope he can do well enough to dump most of his salary. You would have to think he's worth close to at least half his salary.

So the Padres take on Headley and most of his salary to take on Bryan Mitchell?

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 12:19 PM) I don't know why anyone would give up anything of value honestly. He's not going to re-sign anywhere. He'd be a fool not to reach free agency. I mean, it's not like he'd be the only rental dealt for something significant in the history of the game.

QUOTE (peppers312 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 11:48 AM) http://www.rotoworld.com/player/mlb/6242/manny-machado Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic reports that the Orioles want "two young, controllable starting pitchers" back in a trade for Manny Machado. The Orioles don't expect to re-sign Machado, so they appear willing to seriously consider offers from interested teams. No word on which team might have the advantage in trade talks, but the Cardinals have been mentioned as a possibility. One interesting side note from Rosenthal is that Machado wants to move to shortstop for his final year before free agency. Dec 12 - 12:35 PM interesting. I was just thinking with Hardy gone, why is this not already the plan if he stays?

I wonder if teams will try to get an agreement with the O's and MLB for a couple day window to talk extension and agree upon a deal based on said extension. It's happened before. I'm sure the O's would love that as that would drive up the price.

QUOTE (Superstar Lamar @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 11:35 AM) I wonder if they could make a play on Frazier by taking on a bad contract like Ellsbury I would assume it would be the full contract and I personally don't want the Sox to be paying Ellsbury over the next 3 years. Plus, who knows if he would even waive his no-trade clause.

Meetings are so slow this year. Us baseball fans were spoiled that one year when there was like 20 trades (or close to it).

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 11:06 AM) His current projections plug him in at 1.2 WAR/600, but that's also taking into account his previous replacement level seasons. Assuming the breakthrough was real, and I don't see much to think that it wasn't, there's no reason he couldn't be viewed or sold as a 2-2.5 WAR player moving forward. Over the next 4 years, that puts his value around $70 million for which he will probably be paid something like $24 mill ($500K 2018, $5.5 mill 2019, $8 mill 2020, $10 mill 2021), which provides $46 million of surplus value. A 55 FV prospect is worth about $40 million. I am admittedly grasping at straws here, but I don't see something along those lines as an impossibility, and if you acquire Frazier, then it opens the door for an Avisail Garcia trade immediately, even if you have to take a slight discount on his overall value. I think he will end up getting moved for the best offer. Not this week but maybe later in the off-season after Ozuna, Yelich and other trade candidates go and JDM signs with a team.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:45 AM) Clint Frazier Ha. Do us a favor for the trade in the summer.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:39 AM) That would be fine, but what do you really think the Sox could get for Sanchez? I'm guessing nothing too interesting. Agreed. Realistically, maybe a couple C prospects?

QUOTE (JUSTgottaBELIEVE @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 10:38 AM) I'd be shocked if the Yankees started two young, unproven rookies in the infield to begin the season. Wouldn't be surprised to see them bring Frazier back. Also, makes Yolmer Sanchez much more appealing for the Yankees given his defensive ability to play 2b and 3b at a high level... I just meant at some point. I'm sure they will sign a stop-gap, backup IF to open the year. Darwin Barney if they want someone cheap to fill in temporarily and defend really well makes sense.

I would guess: 1. Brett Gardner, DH 2. Aaron Judge LF 3. Giancarlo Stanton, RF 4. Gary Sanchez, C 5. Greg Bird, 1B 6. Didi Gregorious 7. Aaron Hicks CF 8. Gleyber Torres, 2B 9. Miguel Andujar, 3B (Headley just dealt) Corners will rotate a lot between those spots and DH for days off.