Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 7, 2018 -> 08:35 PM) Can you explain? I fail to see how the Sox would be so bad unless the young guys regressed and/or didn't live up to their expectations. Lots of good players don't live up to their expectations their first full season. Lots of players take their lumps and the league adjusts. It happens.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 11:42 AM) Geez. I'm just trying to add some context here. I live here and I'm just relaying the relief of Royals fans getting rid of Soria. He was the whipping boy of fans all last year (much like me despising Dunn that one year and me despising Rios, etc) and the talk shows are blazing. Do you guys check Twitter? Type in Soria's name for gosh sakes. I don't like being negative Nancy but I'm just passing along what I KNOW from living here. Soria was booed; Soria was despised; Soria was a bad clubhouse guy; Soria was the scapegoat for all the Royals' bullpen woes. Soria will make me consider whether to buy mlb.com this year cause he will drive me insane UNLESS as I pointed out Coop fixes him. I also said the other reliever we got sounds fine. Read my posts before you guys say I'm totally out of line. Don't you want info passed on? We can't be Sox shills all the time for gosh sakes. Be reasonable. He's awful; Coop easily could fix him. He's so bad greg doesn't want to watch him pitch on mlb.com in a Sox uniform so shoot me. You guys over-react. Read my tweets; they are not that negative since I do bring up Coop. This goes both ways. Some of our players get trashed on here. Like take away two weeks of a hitter's 0 for 30 and the hitter is different. Look, I get it. Sox fans are excited cause he's new, the unknown. I'd love if Soria does what some relievers do and has a good year after a bad one. Any examples of this?

QUOTE (OmarComing25 @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 10:33 AM) To be fair that list hasn’t been updated for 2018 yet I don’t think, it’s from mid-season last year. I expect him to be higher on the updated list. True. I bet he will be too.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 10:55 AM) And that's one of many reasons ERA isn't a stat that should be thrown around as often as it is for relievers. One bad outing completely shatters it, and thus makes the pitcher seem a lot worse than he actually is. Sure, the stat is simply displaying an average, but said average doesn't really say much about how good a reliever is over time. Agreed.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 09:48 AM) The 2 things I will remember for him are how every year right before he imploded for 2 weeks there was a "David Robertson Appreciation Thread" or something like that posted here, and how in 2015 his implosion was entirely "Josh Donaldson". Oh yeah. That dude owned him back-to-back games.

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 09:39 AM) Every year for him. 2 bad weeks every year. I will always remember that one game against Greg's Royals when if he had not pitched, his ERA would have been about over a run lower.

QUOTE (WBWSF @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 09:35 AM) 1) Does anybody really think that the White Sox are going to out spend the other teams in signing Machado next year? 2) Wouldn't it be easier and cheaper to sign Moustakas?. 3) Is there anybody who wouldn't want to see a 2018 White Sox infield of Moustakas, Anderson. Moncado and Abreu? 1) No 2) Yes 3) I'm not advocating signing him but if they did, I would understand why.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jan 5, 2018 -> 09:13 AM) This trade is so good that I'm not really sure how the White Sox were able to pull it off. They get two veteran relievers for basically just money. Avilan is death on lefties and had a 2.96 FIP last year. Soria, while blowing saves, struck out 10 batters per 9 and posted a 2.23 FIP. He likely won't be closing here and it doesn't matter anyway. The Sox got money, gave up nothing, and can likely trade both of these guys in July and get a hell of a lot more than Jake Peter. Excellent work. Idk if it's "likely" but certainly possible.

All of this Soria pessimism and he was actually positive WAR.

While I was a fan of Peter, he didn't really have a spot on this team. Could see him becoming a solid ballplayer though (especially if he can play every position).

I would say about the same honestly. Bullpen is a mess (they're going to blow a lot of nice games pitched by our starters), some of the young guys will struggle.

If he were a free agent next off-season, he'd make more sense.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:59 PM) That’s fine, but then really don’t have a direction. Being a bottom third team with a bottom third farm is usually a recipe for disaster. Hes under control for 5 more years. They can wait. Many people on here had said to wait on guys like Eaton and Q if we had to.

QUOTE (Joshua Strong @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 09:07 PM) How much money did the Sox get? $1m from KC and 3m from LA.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 08:03 PM) So what does the bullpen look like now? CL: Soria SU: Jones SU: Avilan MR: Farquhar MR: Bummer MR: Minaya/Infante/Vieira LR: Covey/? Could be 8 deep like last year.

QUOTE (greg775 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:45 PM) Soria is a horrific baseball pitcher, but he won't be with the Sox when they contend so no biggie. It will be annoying to see him pitch next season, however, on the South Side. Royals fans are dancing in the streets getting rid of Soria. Want to bet the house?

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:15 PM) Joakim Soria is also going to the White Sox in the three-team deal. https://twitter.com/rustindodd/status/949071497896890368 Give him the keys to the closer role and hope he has a great year.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 06:12 PM) So basically a deal to get a solid lefty reliever There could still be more.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 04:06 PM) Yelich is arguably better than Adam Eaton and is signed to an even friendlier deal than him. Eaton netted Giolito, Lopez, and Dunning. What do you think Yelich is going to cost? Also younger than Eaton when he was dealt.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 04:00 PM) "The final package could look like this: Giolito (or Anderson), Cease, Rutherford and Collins." I would not be in favor of surrendering that much talent, even though Yelich is very good. I do not think the Marlins asking price would be nearly that high, and guys like Rutherford/Collins still have enough stock to warrant being much better than 3rd and 4th pieces in a deal like that. Even taking a pessimistic view of those players would result in us dealing 6+ seasons of a #3/4 starter, reliever in Cease, 4th outfielder in Rutherford and a C/1B prospect with on base skills and some pop. Why? This isn't a salary dump situation. The Marlins accomplished their goal of significantly slashing payroll by dealing Stanton and Ozuna. This a different scenario all together. And as I said above, 15 teams (reportedly) have some level of interest.

QUOTE (FT35 @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 03:01 PM) I’d do these 3 players: 1. Rodon (injury prone, Boras agent, will be an expensive risk to resign.) 2. Rutherford (5th or 6th OFer for us if we got Yelich—Yelich, Jimenez, Avi, Robert, Delmonico?) 3. Basabe (further back in the OF mix than Rutherford—has a lot of developing to do and we don’t develop hitters well.) If this isn’t enough, either agree to take on a vet salary or say goodbye—no increasing the exiting prospect talent. With about 15 teams checking in on Yelich so far (saw a post yesterday or two days ago about that number), I would think that deal could be beat for sure. Not that I'm arguing I want them to make this move.

QUOTE (witesoxfan @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 02:45 PM) His argument is poor. The timing of Yelich does not feel right for the Sox. The comparison of Yelich to Rizzo isn't even good. The Cubs brought over Rizzo when his value was lowest. They rebuilt that dude's stance and swing and now he is what he is today. Yelich on the other hand is already established.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 4, 2018 -> 01:50 PM) Moustakas to the Sox isn't even believable, how did so many people fall for it? But Machado for one year to the Sox in a trade for prospects was a real thing that also sounds even more unbelievable.

Please delete this thread.

Such a boring off-season overall so far. We should be in for a lot of fun this month.