Bob Sacamano

QUOTE (3GamesToLove @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:32 AM) The Cubs and Maddux are a good comp for the Sox and Sale. Would the Cubs have retired Maddux's number if he hadn't come back at the end of his career? I would say no. Coming back to the Cubs help get his number of years pitched for the team to 10 and he also got his 300th win and 3,000 k.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:29 AM) Good catch. I knew what you meant lol just needed to point it out.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) And Carlos Quentin was a more talented hitter than Paul Konerko. I think you know whose number will be retired out of those two. Will be? haha

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) I don't want to derail the thread any further but I don't think some of you guys realize how good Sale was. Buehrle had the advantage of being with the team for much longer, having playoff success here, and not being a hot head, but pound for pound I think Sale is way more talented than he ever was. It's not really about talent. We all know how great Sale was lol he's just not worthy of having his number retired. Simple as that.

QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:17 AM) Absolutely not. Doesn't come close to warrant getting his number retired. Agreed.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:12 AM) 7+ years on the team, 5X All Star, single season Sox K record aren't accomplishments? Lol ok. 7 years just doesn't seem like enough to be number retired worthy. Just my take on it and I'm sure most will agree.

Mark Buehrle is my favorite Sox pitcher of all time so I will be there.

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 10:08 AM) Good for him. I loved Buehrle. Hope they do the same for Sale at some point. Yeah I don't see it. Wasn't here long enough. Not enough accomplishments either.

HOF'r Tim Raines on The Score at 10:40.

I get the positives of him being injured, but we need him healthy and producing to trade him away for other controllable pieces.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 23, 2017 -> 07:36 AM) I truly hope you are right. While I do love the trade from our standpoint, the three arms are obviously question marks, I don't think it's as one-sided as the media made it out to be. I get Eaton is below average in CF, but I believe Werth is a free agent after this year so Eaton can shift over to left.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 09:25 PM) Considering the problems the Sox have had at the catcher position, I would welcome the idea of having too much talent at the position. If for some reason Severino sticks as an everyday catcher, Collins could be moved to 1B. Not like the Sox have any quality 1B prospects anyway and Abreu should be the DH if he's still with the Sox by the time Collins is ready. I'm not saying Collins won't stick at catcher but I'm not going to assume he will either. Passing on Severino because they already have Collins would be a bad idea and judging by the latest rumor, Hahn would agree. If a trade happened before the season started, you'd also have 2 years basically to evaluate Severino.

What an awful beard...if you can call it that.

QUOTE (BamaDoc @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 03:38 PM) I absolutely love that the other day Renteria canceled the intrasquad games to do more drills on fundamentals. That was after watching them do drills the day before. Maybe he saw how bad they looked? In any case, it drives me crazy when guys make fundamental errors. Physical errors will happen (errors of commission) but I drilled my kids on not having mental errors (or errors of omission). The team never really looked prepared coming out of Spring Training under Robin (last year, I think they put more focus on fundamentals to try to change that though).

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 12:44 PM) I'm straddling the fence right now. Half of me says take the trade straight up to get Jones into the closers role now and trade Jones in July. The other half of me thinks the Sox should hold out in hope of Robertson having a good first half to get even more for him in July, then plug Jones into the closers role and trade him for a haul next winter. The latter is more risky but has more potential for a higher return. Glad I'm not Rick Hahn. Jones will still be valuable with 3.5+ years of control left. You can hold onto Robertson for the first few months and trade him. Jones could also be pitching very well and could be moved around then. Or he stays as closer the rest of the season and is moved in the off-season or traded deadline of 2018.

Speigs and Parkins seem to have better chemistry. His "S's" still really piss me off though lol

If the best they can do right now is Severino for Robertson straight up (not saying that is the case but just throwing out there), then wait. It's not like that offer wouldn't be possible in June/July.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 10:49 AM) I'd only consider Severino for Robertson if the Nationals ate the entire remaining contract Even then, I don't love the deal and think we should look to get more out of the Nationals Yeah either Robertson (and cash if you have to) for Severino and 2 other pieces or Robertson (eat no money in this deal) for Norris and 3 other pieces (2 position players and a pitcher). I'm just tossing a couple ideas out there.

QUOTE (turnin' two @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 10:02 AM) Wouldn't this just result in the "unintentional" intentional walk instead? Yes.

QUOTE (SonofaRoache @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 09:44 AM) What they should have done is an IBB equals two bases instead of one. If you really are afraid of someone then they deserve to get to second or just pitch to them. If you want to walk them the regular way you can still pitch around them but it wont be as easy as 4 simple toss outs. Most of the time it isn't that the pitcher is afraid to face someone though. It's usually done to set up a double play and get 2 outs.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 09:01 AM) Why do you not? He had a horrible year at 3B and at the plate. The Sox spent all winter trying to trade at 2/3 the price, and literally no one wanted him. Unless both his bat and glove take a large step forward this year, he really isn't worth much. The predictors really don't mean anything here. I agree that he doesn't have a ton of value. I think similar to what we gave up for him at most is what we're looking at. However, I wouldn't say "no one wanted him." There really are no teams that need a 3B (yet) so it's not like teams were signing or trading for other guys instead of Frazier. Dodgers were the only team linked and that was more of an emergency in case they couldn't sign Turner (who had no market at all himself and was never linked to another team).

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 08:55 AM) Nats have interest in David Robertson but unclear if they'll move soon or wait to scout Robertson on Team USA. Nothing seems imminent. https://twitter.com/philgrogers/status/834412439852584962 I kinda figure nothing would happen on the trade front with Robertson in the WBC. When that's over, they can deal for him and he can just meet up with his team in Florida as opposed to meeting up with the Sox in between.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 06:13 AM) People are really complaining they don't get to see 4 balls thrown for an intentional walk because once every few years someone actually hits the ball? In the grand scheme it won't save much time, I think they said 35 seconds on average, but it isn't exactly eliminating a can't be missed situation. This has been the rule in HS and college for years. Yeah I don't mind this. It's a start. Like I said above, limit the amount of times catchers and managers can go to the mound.

Limit the amount of times a catcher and manager can go out to mound. That would cut out a lot of time.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Feb 21, 2017 -> 08:00 PM) They have no reason to give up a very talented prospect unless the player they are getting is younger and/or under team control for a while. Todd Frazier does not fit that bill. If Sandoval falters, they'll have interest in Frazier, but they're not spending a lot on him. I am not following your logic. The Red Sox are in it to win it this year. Why would they want an unproven third basemen like Devers on a team like that instead of a guy like Frazier that could be a monster in Fenway? Also, Dombrowski has never been shy to spend money when he thinks hsi team is getting close to a championship run. "Devers is probably a 60 FV type is worth well more than Todd Frazier." This is not like trading baseball cards or making trades in the abstract based on statistics alone. Who would you want at third base in the playoffs or World Series? Devers of Frazier? That is the context. No circumstance where they trade Devers for Frazier. And thats a terrible comparison. One guy is a prospect (a top one at that) and one is in the MLB. That doesn't mean they have trade Devers to acquire Frazier. Of course you'd rathe have Frazier right now lol