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It felt like every pitcher on the roster between 00-02 tore their labrum.

Why was Woodford even up? Why not use Cannon?

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Exactly. If we are aiming at next decade like some here are saying, that's about the same time it took for Hahn to tear everything down, rebuild a farm system drastically worse than what we have now, make 2 playoff appearances, and then turn shitty again.

I agree. But saying it the "can is flying into next decade" is absurd. That's a minimum of four offseasons and five trade deadlines and 5 drafts. You could start an expansion team from scratch and and beat that.

What is? If they trade them, we'll see what they get. I'd bet that if those guys get traded, its going to be centered on players closer to the majors.

Its defending him to point out he isn't getting fired after less than a season of being hired?

This is so nuts to see... this year especially.

"Learn how to read! You'll get Chayce McDermott and only Chayce McDermott and you'll like it!"

SoxTalk- where trading an insignificant single A reliever for Corey Julks is sheer panic but firing the GM you hired 9 months ago for optics is reasonable.

Because they have a batch of prospects (mostly on the pitching side) coming up in the next year. They just traded their 2nd biggest trade chip in Cease for 3 guys... 2 of them will be in that batch. It's possible Thorpe is up in the second half of this year. They aren't the Orioles but this isn't 2016 when Adam Engel was the #3 prospect in the organization. Why would the team acquire guys this last offseason and last trade deadline that line up for a "quick" 3 year rebuild and then switch gears and start a another 5-6 year process. You mention burning through service time... Let's say our luck turns around and Montgomery comes up next year and does look like he'll be Seager and Thorpe is Kyle Hendriks and Ramos is whatever Ramos' 90% outcome. I'd rather have Crochet or Robert on the team so there's some type of core to build around. If they do trade Crochet and Robert, I'd rather have guys who align more closely with Montgomery et al. rather than burning the new guys' service time until the 18 year olds are ready... and then we need to trade Montgomery and Thorpe and whoever because now they only have 2 years left of control in 2029. Here's another thing no one mentions- Everyone loves to talk about how we know JR doesn't spend on top end free agents. There's about a thousand pages of people complaining about Machado and Harper and Wheeler. I can recite it all in my sleep... "two teams haven't signed a $100m player" "We get stuck with Benitendi instead of Harper" "Only time he played with the big boys was Albert Belle" That's all true. You know what else is true? JR has owned the team for nearly 50 years. Up until Hahn and KW begged him to allow for a full rebuild, he never let the Sox tear it all down. The closest they ever got was the White Flag Trade when they traded a bunch of vets for Caruso, Foulke, Howry, Lorenzo Barcelo, and 2 guys I don't remember who all either busted or debuted within a year or two of the trade. People think stubborn-as-f*** Jerry Reinsdorf spent decades resisting full scale tear-it-all-down rebuilds and then reluctantly allowed himself to be talked into one, it fails, and then fires the guys who talked him into it and authorizes another one? I don't want it to happen and I don't think it will happen. I bet if they trade either guy, its going to be for players who are kind of close to MLB.

I experience pain when Andrew Vaughn swings too.

"The Bigger Unit" Didn't he get in trouble because he left a game early? Or am I confusing him with someone else. I remember him falling on the steps of the dugout in his debut and Hawk saying stuff like, "Big Jon's gonna be all right" when he'd give up runs.

I pretty much agree with everything you said. If we trade Robert, it does make it more difficult (obviously, depending on who we get). That's why I don't really think we should trade him yet. Saying reaching .500 in 2027 is completely reasonable. My problem is with the posters who act like it another 5-7 years away or impossible entirely. What they aren't acknowledging is that there is a wave of players that are coming up in the next 18 months. They are mostly on the pitching side but we have a couple bats coming up as well. Additionally, we will probably have some position player prospects arriving via trade at the deadline. We'll need to play them next year and a half. A lot will fail but some will succeed. I'm guessing after the trade deadline and this draft, we will have a top ten farm system with a majority of the better players in the higher levels. I don't think anyone in this thread has made any outlandish predictions regarding the hit rates for prospects. In fact, I said I would keep Crochet and sign a mid rotation type FA pitcher so we would need less of the pitching prospects to hit and I was called mocked, called a goofball, and told that the team would never be able to sign a FA pitcher that fit in the middle of a rotation. That's nonsense. Every team should be able to acquire players like that... I'm wasn't claiming they could sign Juan Soto. If the front office fails to identify the right players or if they don't convert on their targets, they should be criticized when that happens. Crying about Rick Hahn's failures in 2018-2022 in a conversation about 2025-2027 is just pouting.

Yes! Thank you!

So you agree with the other posters that the Chicago White Sox are incapable of signing a middle of the rotation pitcher in the next 2 years? How are rotations filled across the league? Does everyone have five $35 million dollar a year players?

Thanks for clarifying. It makes complete sense now. We need to get you hired in the front office so you can give a seminar to these clowns on the the importance of fielding a complete roster.

I think I have a pretty good idea which SoxTalk members spend a lot of time writing negative yelp reviews in their spare time.

THEY LITERALLY SIGNED A GUY WHO FITS THIS DESCRIPTION IN DECEMBER. But maybe you are all right. T R U brought up a fantastic point when he argued that if they make no trades, sign no players, promote no prospects, decline all options, fail to re-sign anyone, and do not field a full roster, they will continue to be bad. I never thought of it like that.

Nope. Been a fan for a while and I've seen them do it many times. Not sure why you are pretending a mundane occurrence is some unattainable feat.

They just signed one this past offseason. How low are your expectations?

I agree. I don't trade Crochet unless someone makes a crazy offer. So let's say you have Crochet and another FA SP in the middle of the rotation. I feel ok that they can get 3-4 guys out of the dozen guys in the minors and any other signings or trades that haven't happened yet. If you keep Robert, turn 2 position players from the minors into regulars, find 1 or 2 position players this deadline, you're looking at two offseasons to find another 3-4 guys. Maybe I'm nuts, but those numbers don't seem outlandish to me. Will the team have a shot at the world series? Probably not. But I'll be able to come home from work in the summer and put a baseball game on that doesn't feel like someone kicking me in the balls instead of a stupid netflix documentary about a tiktok cult.

This is a team that is 1 game above .500 right now. If it takes until 2030 to build an offense as good as this, you're all right about Getz.

Why are we assuming they make no trades, promotions, or free agent signings over a two year period? All you did was list out guys on a historically bad team and typed "no one" in bold letters in a bunch of places.

Yup. He was bad at being a GM.