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QUOTE (iWin4Ron @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 04:27 PM) Why? Personal reasons? White Sox should be rooting for all the loses at this point. Go cubs. Yeah I agree. I don't want to lose out on a superstar because of a meaningless win or two against the Cubs.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jul 23, 2017 -> 04:35 AM) I would actually prefer a TOR pitching prospect over another 1b/corner OF, ideally a middle IF though. You have to see what's available though and if someone is the best talent you get him even if he is an of or pitcher. I find myself feeling this way too. Then I remember the significantly higher bust rate of pitchers, combined with the TJ risk...and I go back to wanting a bat Ultimately a shortstop would be perfect IMO.

This guy is something else.

Apparently Holmberg really wants Seth Beer

Well there goes that

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 09:27 AM) The only exception for me is if they go fielding over pitching. I can understand either way with that. Otherwise, BPA. tankforbeer is a movement which should really say "tankforbpa" but that doesn't sound as good. My thought is if you're picking in the top 5 - you need to try to draft a franchise altering star talent. You don't go messing around picking preferable positions in that case. But yeah, if the bat looks good I wouldn't mind avoiding a pitcher. There are so many more health risks and bust factors with pitchers compared to hitters.

QUOTE (GermanSock @ Jul 20, 2017 -> 03:32 AM) It all depends on the next season. Beer was ranked so high because he had that outstanding freshman year. Most are not that good their first year. Last year was good but a step back. To be in conversation for first overall again he needs a monster year and basically be clearly the nest college hitter by some margin because he is a corner of at best. Usually those guys don't get drafted first overall, but if he is projected as a generational hitter that doesn't matter. But if he just has a very good season (20hr, 1000 ops) he could probably fall to late top10. I would actually like if they got turang. Usually you should not go by need but the sox system has absolutely nothing at shortstop and shortstops are the most valuable prospects as they can also move to every other position except catcher. So if turang is one of the 5 best players why not go for him? Umm, if he's the clear cut BPA then fine. But you better not pass up BPA for a need in the top 5 of the draft. That would be crazy IMO.

QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Jul 19, 2017 -> 08:52 AM) Not sure what my favorite deal is (probably the Eaton deal considering the haul of 3 major prospects), but I don't love this NYY deal, it's confusing to me, wish JR would have ate the money thus keeping Kahnle and not having to take on Clippard, I find it hard to believe D=Rob and Frazier bring back Clarkin and Polo, D-Rob should bring back a guy on the back 50 of the Top 100 at least I think there's a little bit of a glut of relievers available this year - as opposed to last year. Probably from teams seeing what the Cubs and Tribe paid last year. I'm skeptical that the Sox would have landed a top 100 prospect for Robertson. Maybe, but I wouldn't hold my breath.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 09:23 PM) Yup. Basically gave Kahnle away for free. Nah, you'd never get Rutherford for D Rob. Not even close.

QUOTE (Jake @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:28 PM) I'd say the Cubs never lost on purpose. Only Bryant was a draft pick in the post-tank era who was a big piece of their WS team. And that wasn't even a #1 overall pick. They just traded all their good veteran players and never said no to a player playing well on their MLB team. Like I said, the losing will happen if you are maximizing the value of your veterans. But there's no use futzing around trying to squeeze out extra losses by making bad managerial decisions, etc. Schwarber was the 4th pick in the draft, well in to their tank era. And he had a pretty darn good World Series.

QUOTE (fathom @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 08:23 PM) Same would be a tad disappointing I was just thinking that. He seems like a 3rd or 4th piece.

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:28 PM) Sox won't need a closer until 2019. Alright - my point more is instead of giving him away for pennies on the dollar, why not roll the dice and see if he succeeds as closer. Then he could be worth a fortune. Again, this is on the premise that he doesn't currently bring a lot back with his short track record. This isn't a fire sale - giving away pieces for less than full value or potential value wouldn't be smart. And now Levine has him allegedly in a Yankee deal that is in the works. So we'll see. If they get a a lot back for him, then fine.

Abreu with the nice defense tonight

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 18, 2017 -> 06:22 PM) Holding onto relievers in a rebuild is hero worship The Sox need a closer when D Rob is moved. If Kahnle isn't going to fetch much, which he probably won't due to his short track record of success - to me there's little reason to move him.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 13, 2017 -> 07:34 AM) Other teams like the Astros, the Yankees, and the Brewers match up better with the White Sox for Quintana. The Cubs would have to blow those teams away with a package of prospects to get Quintana, and that obviously is unlikely. If Eloy is on the table, then that probably qualifies as blowing other offers away. None of us know the answer to this question. I would hope they would deal with them. Its all about brining the Sox the best return.

QUOTE (beautox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 11:34 PM) I'm fine shipping Q across town for Jimenez, Cease, Albertos & Ademan If the Sox can get Eloy, I'm not terribly concerned about the depth of the trade. They can fill out depth when moving other guys. Getting a guy with star potential like Jimenez woild be amazing!

QUOTE (oldsox @ Jul 12, 2017 -> 07:40 AM) You want Brinson. I want Brinson. Not gonna happen. They probably don't land him if that's the case.

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Jul 11, 2017 -> 07:04 PM) Rob Young‏ @RobertHYoung We are in full blown 🚨 mode on Q. I'm keeping an eye on Lewis Brinson from MIL, Ozzie Albies/Ronald Acuna from ATL, and Kyle Tucker from HOU Hmm, are the Astros getting back in to this? I would prefer Tucker over Brinson and Albies.

If Hahn is setting Cashman up for the concession..."....ok you can keep Frazier. We'll do the deal with just Torres headlining..."....I'm all for that

QUOTE (Quin @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 06:29 PM) Add Swarzak and it would be incredibly hard for them to say no. Robles and Soto is like a slightly less Moncada and Kopech. Kieboom and Fedde wouldn't fill out just a Q package but Robertson and Swarzak would necessitate it. You give them the best shot at making the World Series. Man if Eaton didn't get hurt that would make them terrifying. The Nats don't need Quintana right now. He would be their 4th starter. Which is unnecessary since they are coasting with an easy divisional lead. The 4th starter might get 1 or 2 starts during a post-season run. On top of that, they aren't adding 20-25 mil to their payroll. Their owner has already vetoed what allegedly was half of Robertson's salary back before spring training. Maybe the Sox should concentrate on trying to get Soto for Robertson and Swarzak, and shop Quintana elsewhere?

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 06:57 AM) For the Sox to breakeven on the Chris Sale trade, only one of Moncada or Kopech has to turn into a star. If both reach their ceilings, you're talking about one of the biggest returns in baseball history. Anything in between is a win for us. As for Quintana, I think you're selling him short. No one is giving up a Moncada piece because he was basically in a class of his own. But a headliner in the 10 to 20 range is certainly possible along with a secondary piece in the 40 to 60 range and a lesser piece or two. Quintana is not as good as Sale and should not be worth as much, but this deadline is setting up nicely for a team to pay fair value for him. I fully expect a trade a little bit better than the Eaton trade, but with a positional guy as the primary headliner. I didn't mean to sell him short. I just think the return on the Sale trade was a monster. You're right, if Kopech turns in to a #1 starter and Moncada becomes a star - the Sox win this trade. At least from their end. Hopefully both teams win this trade for their own needs. And for Quintana - this is the reason I've been hoping the Cubs and Sox can come to terms on a deal. Because Jimenez is the #5 prospect in baseball and I don't see us getting that good of a prospect back otherwise. I care more about getting the White Sox the best deal possible, than sticking it to the Cubs. I hope JR and Sox management feel the same way. And if you do get Eloy in a deal, whatever you can grab on top of him would be like gravy to the deal.

QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Jul 10, 2017 -> 06:24 AM) I would have never traded Sale and think the return they got for him was abysmal so I expect a trade of Quintana and the return to be abysmal as well. I realize Moncada was/is a top 5 prospect but if the best pitcher in the AL, with a team friendly contract, can't get you an already established MLB outfielder like a Betts or Bradley, or even a Bennitendi then you failed in the trade and I expect the haul for Quintana to be disappointing as well. They got 2 prospects with superstar potential back for Chris Sale. I think that's about all you're going to get for anyone you trade. But yeah, the big risk is on the Sox side. If either of these prospects don't continue to develop as they have so far, the trade turns in to a big loss. That's what happens when you trade a star. And if Quintana does get moved - it will be for significantly less than Chris Sale brought back. Because he's just not as good as Chris Sale is. I think we'd be lucky to get one piece that is in the Kopech/Moncada range, plus a few lottery tickets after that.

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 08:18 PM) Every player is happy and enjoys where they are until they hit the open market and another team offers more money. If Quintana is still healthy and productive there's nothing to stop the Sox from signing him when he's a free agent after 2020. Unless he signs an extension before his deal runs out - be it in Chicago or with whatever team the Sox traded him too. In fact, if I remember right, I think he even said he wants to play his whole career here. Pretty sure he said that back around Soxfest when the trade winds were swirling like crazy. To me, only having 3 years of control is a total non-issue if you are thinking of keeping him here. And to bring up more good reasons to keep him....wouldn't Q seem like a fantastic mentor for guys like Kopech and Dunning and Lopez, etc; when they come up here? Again, whatever happens, I'm good. I know Hahn won't give him away without a goldmine coming back.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 08:12 PM) Quintana has three years of control, holding onto him is insanity. Let's clear one thing up. When people talk about Quintana and his control - they act like he's going to drop dead after the 3 years of control are up. The guy loves playing in Chicago. HE's only said it 50 times. I have no reason to think he wouldn't re-sign here.

Quintana is the one piece I will be fine with either way - keep or trade. I see benefits both ways. To me, that the Sox signed Luis Robert takes a lot of pressure off of moving Quintana. Essentially the type of prospect I was hoping to get back for Q, they already signed. Also what makes it easier is that the expected return of guys besides Quintana looks like it might be far greater than we were expecting say 3 months ago. Robertson has been fantastic. Swarzak has been fantastic. Melky and Frazier might bring something. Maybe even Kahnle. We should have a flippin' loaded system by August 1st, with or without a Quintana trade. And if they do end up keeping Quintana, he could be our #1 or #2 when we hope to contend 2-4 years from now. The only real negative to keeping Q is that he might drops us down a few slots in the draft. And we did see how 1 spot seemed to screw the Sox in this past draft.