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QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Jul 9, 2017 -> 02:39 PM) Quintana and Robertson for Robles, Soto, Kieboom, and Fedde. Who says no? The Nats say no. I can't see them emptying out their system.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 06:51 PM) I mean, it's 22 plate appearances. I seriously doubt his production in those at-bats has any impact on whether they decide to keep or trade him. Also, the Yankees are still in the lead for the wild card. Adding Quintana fits both short-term and long-term goals. Furthermore, the Yankees are already loaded with outfielders on the major league roster (when healthy) and should have Fowler back sometime next season. I personally think Frazier is expendable for them. I agree Frazier is probably expendable to them. I don't want him as a headliner for Q though. I'd rather the Sox target guys like Eloy or Brinson to headline a deal.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 04:25 PM) Why? Looks like he had a big day. 3 for 4 with a HR and triple and 4 rbi's. Average was like .188 when i looked this morning I think, now it's .300 Either way, the Yankees have been sliding out of the race. I'd be very surprised if they were buyers.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jul 8, 2017 -> 06:45 AM) If the Brewers are seriously considering adding a TOR starter, then Quintana easily makes the most sense for them. They will definitely value his additional year of control over Gray. And honestly, what else is out there that will be controllable? Seems like any package has to be built around Brinson. I don't see another guy who could be a headliner in their system. After that, I'm not sure what to ask for. Hader would obviously be an interesting guy, but I don't see them trading their most advanced pitching prospect. TBH, their system seems a bit overrated. Ortiz doesn't do much for me and most of their other interesting positional guys are sporting ridiculously high K rates (Diaz, Clark, Ray). I still think the Astros & Yankees are the best fits for Quintana. I agree that they have to include Brinson or forget it. But if they do, they probably don't have to add a whole lot more.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 06:53 PM) Yankees, Blue Jays among the teams here with a keen eye on tonight's game. https://twitter.com/scottmerkin/status/883473134451658752 I would guess the Blue Jays would be more likely to be scouting the Rockies for a possible deal to sell off to them. They aren't contenders and I'm sure they know that.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 01:17 PM) I really like Soto as a prospect, but throwing Kahnle into the deal completely changes what a necessary return would be. Kahnle has been lights out this season, evidenced by a 1.58 FIP which is elite. That's not even mentioning his 15.3 K/9 rate. Soto looks to be a very good prospect, but scouts seem to be pretty certain that he will not be able to stick defensively in center field. This puts much greater pressure on his bat, which looks to be very promising, but is still an unknown. I would advocate the Sox to deal Robertson, but hang onto Kahnle and let him be the closer. If Kahnle continues to pitch this well he could be worth a major haul at the deadline in 2018 for a contender. Robles > Soto due to his ability to play center field at a plus level and he has much better speed. I highly doubt Robles gets dealt, but I'm not all in on Soto like many posters due to him not having the CF profile that is much harder to find. Gotcha. I understand your point now. Personally I still would do it. Big bats are big bats. It's not like we're talking a probable DH/1B type here, at least as far as I know. But to each his own.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 11:39 AM) Robertson + Kahnle should bring back more than Soto and a catching prospect who can't hit, especially when the Nationals are desperate. I'd insist on significantly more, and start the ask with Robles. I've seen you veto this same thought a few times. I think the disconnect here is you don't seem to like Soto as a prospect, and others do. Not being an expert myself, but following what I can, I see Soto as a guy that is rapidly approaching Robles territory. Or at least on his way. That's why I would do Robertson + Kahnle for Soto without batting an eyelash. Just guessing here - but I think if the Sox draw a line in the sand and say Robles or bust, then they're just going to have to trade Robertson elsewhere. I just don't see it happening.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jul 7, 2017 -> 06:55 AM) Gray gets traded but I'm not sure where. Cubs? Yeah I'll go Eloy + a lower prospect for Sonny Gray. The Cubs are desperate for a cost controlled starter and he's probably the best option available if the Sox and Cubs aren't willing to deal with each other.

For the record - I was thinking of something along the lines of 3 years for 7 mil. That would be $2.33 mil per. To me that sets him for life, and at the same time is minimal risk from the White Sox end. But yeah, trade him if someone offers something decent up.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 01:28 PM) If a player has that little confidence in themselves right before free agency, that would be a huge red flag to me. Besides that, with the amount of arms in the system, versus when this team can be expected to compete again, I have no real interest in signing Swarzak to an extension anyway. Trade him to the highest bidder by July 31, and add that to our minor league system. Count Swarzak as a victory as we turned a scrap heap signing into a young player. I didn't even mention that he could get injured, which is out of his control and happens at an alarming rate to pitchers unfortunately. Again, if you get a useful player back then ok.

I don't think there is any good way to determine home field advantage. I mean, before it used to rotate every year. That's even more random nothingness determining home field. So now it's best record? Ok, but the fact that the NL teams have the 3 worst teams in baseball in their league obviously will skew it towards an NL team having home field most likely. They have more soft opponent games on their schedule. So it's not exactly perfect now, but it's probably as good as it will get.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:58 PM) Dude is a free agent is 3 months. He is no hurry to sign anything right now. He is another one who gets dumped off to the highest bidder by July 31st. I don't think it's as easy as you're saying. What happens if he starts getting shelled in July and August and nobody wants him this winter? You can sign him to a deal and he's set for life. We shouldn't underestimate how important that is to a person. I think we just saw that very thing in action when TA signed that 6 year deal against his agent's advice. And for trading - yeah if you get a decent offer, take it. But it needs to be an asset that has a chance to mean something someday, even if it's somewhat of a longshot. Going back to Tilson. When the Tilson deal happened, Cardinal fans were all like - who cares, his ceiling is as a 4th outfielder. It's basically like giving up nothing. That's all I'm saying we should avoid. You can sign 4th outfielders for pennies on the dollar as free agents.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:52 PM) You'd likely get more for them separately and Robles is off the table for either guy. I'd move them both for Soto, too. But honestly, Soto might be every bit as untouchable as Robles is.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:39 PM) Kahnle is probably the least likely guy who is currently on the 25 man roster and not a rookie, to get traded. TA, Abreu and Rodon are far less likely to get moved IMO. But I agree that he's among the least likely to be moved.

QUOTE (Username @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:47 PM) Swarzak has pitched really well and the peripherals back him up. I think a Tilson-type return or slightly better is likely but that's not bad at all. People forget Tilton was a solid prospect because of the brutal luck with injuries. Likely 4th OF but the speed to maybe make it work as a regular in CF. See to me, a likely 4th outfielder is way less valuable than a bullpen arm that puts fires out. So why trade a guy for someone who's likely potential is as a lesser player than what you're giving up. In Swarzak's case (and I'm guess ing here), he probably hasn't been paid ever and would likely jump at it if you offer him a 3 year extension for a pretty cheap number. It could end up being a super bargain for the White Sox.

QUOTE (raBBit @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 12:17 PM) Song=crap. Flawed player with little likelihood of being MLB guy. That's not off the table at all for Swarzak. The guy has performed very strongly though. I think his lack of track record will bog him down despite a great 2017. If all you're getting back for Swarzak is a Tilson type of prospect or worse (aka, one you know won't ever be a starter or big contributor), then keep him and re-sign him to a 3 year extension. To move him for the sake of moving him, if nothing really is coming back...what's the point?

I don't think he will get a ton back given his short track record of success . That said, I would probably lean towards keeping him. But if adding him in to a Robertson or Quintana deal puts a package over the top, where the other team would have said no otherwise- then go ahead and include him.

Nice article...thank you

I doubt either will bring much back at all. Maybe shoot for a lottery ticket youngster and hope he pans out? The Beer run will probably be enhanced more by moving bullpen pieces. Those guys have saved so many games from going the other way this year.

QUOTE (GreenSox @ Jul 5, 2017 -> 08:12 AM) Then that would be the FO ignoring sunk cost. The Astros signed Jon Singelton to a premature (in retrospect) pre-arb extension, and instead of compounding their losses, he's sitting in the minors...despite the fact that First Base remains one of their weaker positions (relative to the Astros). Further, this is rebuild...they need to acquire the best talent regardless of position. They can't start penciling in prospects onto the major league roster this early in the process. A lot of these guys will flop....and when one does, it's "next man up." Absolutely. First of all, TA is far from a sure thing. The Sox need SS prospects as much as any position. Maybe more, because SS prospects are known to be versatile. You usually can move them to 3B, 2B, CF, etc. And beyond the TA might bust factor, there's the general thing you spoke of - guys will bust and you need a next man up. They need to build layers of prospects.

I went with Swarzak. I figure he will offer playoff contenders the most bang for their buck. A solid middle reliever won't go for much, but can save a team or bullpen.

QUOTE (miracleon35th @ Jul 2, 2017 -> 10:09 PM) The commonly held belief that Hahn fleeced Rizzo with the Eaton trade plays in the background and might impact future trade talks between them. You know, the old fool me once...In addition the Yankees, Red Six and a few other teams can offer plenty of mid level prospects if that is all Rizzo will put on the table. I would have thought that belief was long gone, since Giolito and Lopez have pretty much sucked this year.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 10:15 AM) It's like a "regional" tax similar to what it'd be like to deal with a divisional team. I don't think there's any way that the Cubs offer a bunch more than Houston or NYY and that's what it'd take to send Q there. Maybe you're right. Here's my thoughts. I'm not sure Houston has a great need for Quintana right now. And they've been balking at the Sox asking price since December. I would be surprised if he goes there. They seem stingy with giving up their prized prospects, and I think their perceived need of Quintana is a lot lower now than it was prior to the season. For the Yankees - if they manage to stay in the race, I'd probably call them the favorites to land him. But they just don't look like that good of a team to me. I suspect they'll be sliding out of the race by the time the trading deadline comes, and then they won't be buyers. As Cashman has already said, the Yankees are doing the exact same thing as the White Sox (regarding a rebuild via prospects), but they're much further along since they started before us. They're probably not going to cut in to all that rebuild work just because they played a bit over their heads for 2 months. With everything in mind, teams to watch are Atlanta and the two darkhorses are the Cubs and Red Sox. Dombrowski loves trading prospects away. And I'm sure Quintana dominating the Yankees the other day caught his attention.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 09:46 AM) My point being is there will likely be a "rivals premium" built into a deal if someone like the Cubs, Detroit, Minnesota etc calls and wants to ask about Q. To me, you don't move a guy like Quintana to Cleveland or Minnesota period. I don't care how much more they offer. Because when the Sox get good in 2-3 years (hopefully), we then have to deal with Quintana in our division. For the Cubs though - that's just being petty. I mean, maybe you're right. But if they're taking an half-assed approach to the rebuild with that kind of mindset, then this thing might be doomed before it starts.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Jun 30, 2017 -> 09:38 AM) The Cubs may need Q worse than anyone else, but I don't see them being willing to pay what it would take for Hahn to be able to do that deal. I think the Cubs would find a better price for a guy like Archer than they would for Q. Theo has already said they over-drafted hitters, with the intention of trading some of them for pitching eventually. In other words, he's already hinted a willingness to move a guy like Eloy. Most teams that have a hitting prospect of that caliber simply won't consider moving those guys, period. Unless a guy like Chris Sale is dangled of course. And for Archer - I'm doubting he gets moved. We'll see.