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I'm all in!! Tank for Beer, or heck tank for whoever else might be #1 or #2. If by October we can sign Luis Robert and get a top 2 or 3 pick for the 2018 draft secured, everything else to that point is gravy!

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Mar 31, 2017 -> 06:35 PM) Whatever gets us the Beer pick If Seth Beer keeps hitting .253, we might be needing a new guy to target. But yeah, we want a top 2-3 pick regardless of who is there.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 30, 2017 -> 11:32 AM) https://twitter.com/BenBadler/status/847476889660805120 Sure would make for a bright future if we could add this guy on top of Moncada.

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 28, 2017 -> 08:51 PM) Houston has had a team for 55 years without winning a World Series. They have a chance this year but are dicking around. Yea I hope they beg for Q at the deadline and Hahn strip mines their system or some other teams beat their best offer. The Sox whooped your ass in 2005 and they will whoop your ass in the Q sweepstakes one way or another. Have fun not winning the World Series but hey you will get to keep your precious prospects. I suspect the Astros believe they are the only serious contender for Q, and there's no point in bidding against themselves. The great news for us is, whether that's true or not - there should be plenty of suiters as the season plays out.

The Sox got Giolito in part because word was all around baseball that the Nats were down on Giolito. That his stock is down from it's peak was part of the trade - not a sudden tough break for the White Sox. To me Lopez is the biggest piece of the deal, but I still feel really good about Giolito and his future. It might take a few years. Maybe he won't be a #1. Heck maybe he'll end up in the pen. That doesn't mean he won't be darn good someday.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 07:09 PM) I would love to ask this question of teams and their scouts. I mean I get scouting the young guys, because of growth and development, but what are you looking for with a proven commodity like Q? One obvious answer might to be to make sure he looks healthy and doesn't have a lurking injury.

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:16 AM) I see no possible way this team punts the next 3 seasons. I think they could. All Sox fans saw right in front of our faces what can happen with a few years of patience. I'm talking about the Cubs rebuild of course. This is going to buy the Sox a lot of time. Something like this wouldn't have been possible 5 years ago. As long as the Sox show progress in building up a loaded system, I think the fans will stay with them - and with that, management as well. That means continually adding exciting prospects. The return from a Quintana trade. Signing Luis Robert maybe? Possibly drafting Seth Beer or another studly prospect in the top 5 of the draft next summer. Things like that will keep this on track IMO.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 23, 2017 -> 11:11 AM) Three seasons as in 2019? No way. Not a chance. There isn't enough talent here yet for that. 2020 is when the window opens IMO. If Matain takes 5 or even 6 seasons to get here, that puts him right smack in the middle of things in 2021 or 22. He won't be on the front end, but he would be right in the middle of the revival, if it works. 3 years could happen if everything falls right (as happened for the Cubs rebuild). But we know it usually doesn't work that way. Some high prospects are going to bust out. And even before that, the Sox are still light in positional/hitting prospects. As Hahn has pointed out, we're in the very beginning stages of this thing. Regarding Maitan - I absolutely would let him be a centerpiece if our scouts felt good enough about him. You have to trust your scouts. Of course, with words like 'generational talent' being thrown around about him, the Braves would be smart to just refuse any offers that included him.

QUOTE (Sox-35th @ Mar 21, 2017 -> 09:27 AM) I seriously wonder how agents let Rick Hahn walk all over their guys. Hahn basically says "Don't bet on yourself, take money" I think you're underestimating how important being set for life is. I'm surprised more teams don't take this approach.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Mar 19, 2017 -> 07:44 PM) Eh, Baez doesn't make sense for a timeline. Get Jimenez, Happ, Martinez, etc. Guys that you will basically get 7 years out of. The timeline is fine for Baez. Not everyone has to be on the same contract path. That said, Baez + Jimenez is overpayment and the Cubs wouldn't do it.

QUOTE (flavum @ Mar 19, 2017 -> 06:17 PM) Wow, Moncada on fire Was perfect timing. I got in the car and 30 seconds later I listened to the call of him clearing the bases with a 3 run double

QUOTE (CaliSoxFanViaSWside @ Mar 19, 2017 -> 02:57 PM) I've been reading the recent Fangraphs articles about the top prospects and future values ( http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/2017-top-100-prospects/ and http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/valuing-the...-100-prospects/ ) and I am convinced that when the Sox do trade Quintana that obtaining position player prospects is very important. The thing I get from these articles is that positional player talent is more valuable and easier to predict upside than pitchers because pitchers get injured more and low upside pitching is more valuable than low upside hitters. The Sox have received mostly high end pitchers in the Sale and Eaton trades and while that is very good it appears organization are aware that pitching is more of a crap shoot than hitters. This appears to be the difficulty with trading with the Yankees or Astros because they likely aren't budging on positional player talent because they are more predictable and, also, in some cases , plan to replace older players . The best bet at the trade deadline appears to lie with either the Yankees or Astro's contending but still needing a starting pitcher to make them World Series candidates. This is not news of course. But it also appears to me that even though a trade with the Cubs would seem unlikely ,they have to be considered among the teams that may end up needing starting pitching help and also have good position talent. Lackey is likely to regress sooner rather than later. Lester isn't getting any younger though is very consistently good . Arrieta showed a few cracks in the armor and Hendricks seemingly came out of nowhere to dominate. They just can't be as good as they were last year. All it will take is a likely Lackey regression, 5th starter problems and some regression from their excellence of 2016 and 1 injury . Unfortunately with their defense a lot of regression from anyone besides Lackey may not be likely. A heavy workload from the last season could also effect them. But since the baseball gods are fickle and with the Cubs having some high end positional talent it would behoove the Sox to consider trading with the Cubs if the situation warrants. Hahn & Co. cannot afford to overlook the Cubs just because they compete in the same city with them. The Cubs absolutely make the most sense for Quintana. Not only would Quintana fill a huge need for them, both now and even more so in the future. But they are possibly the only team in baseball that would have high-end position prospects and it would make sense for them to move them. I suspect Theo might be interested in a Eloy Jimenez + Ian Happ ++ trade for Quintana. I'm not sure Jerry or KW would sign off on it though.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 11:25 AM) Yep. I think some fans got caught up in the hype and forgot just how young and raw Moncada still is. Even if Moncada took two more years to fully develop in the minors before he became MLB ready, he would still be a mere 23 years old. A rebuilding team like the Sox have time on their side. I'm not going to lie, I thought we'd see a little more from Moncada than we've seen thus far this spring. He is young, but being the #2 ranked prospect and the headliner for Chris Sale - I was hoping to get wowed a bit this spring. Part of it for me was wanting to see what made him such a huge prospect. His numbers don't really stand out in the minors like some of the other blue chip type prospects' numbers do. He didn't tear up any leagues like Kris Bryant, Austin Meadows or Benintendi have. So what exactly made him this monster prospect and when will it start to show it's face? Again, I know he's 21 and we need to be patient. Just saying I have a tinge of concern, that's all.

QUOTE (BlackSox13 @ Mar 13, 2017 -> 10:33 AM) https://www.google.com/amp/yanksgoyard.com/...eepstakes-2/amp Lol, sure. That's why Hahn has went ahead and settled for less than he thinks Q is worth. Wait, he hasn't, so I guess the Sox are in a position of power. Man, that writer is delusional. Cracked me up so I had to share. I mean, Hahn does have an incentive to want to move Quintana now. I think there's a legit chance that keeping Q on the team until the all-star break or trading deadline will result in the Sox falling out of the Seth Beer sweepstakes. They have to decide is it worth it to squeeze every last bit out of a Q trade - even if it costs them dearly in the 2018 draft? It really depends if there are or have been any offers that are close, and we as fans have no way of knowing that answer. This all said, Q talking about being motivated to make a return trip to the all-star game, on top of his super pitching early on so far...it has me almost afraid of moving him. I could see him getting moved to the Yankees and winning 20 games this year.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Mar 12, 2017 -> 06:48 PM) I doubt tourists go. Way more to do in Vegas. Hmm, I don't know. I'm already excited to do a 2-3 day trip to Vegas around a Blackhawks swing through Vegas next season. I would bet you'll get some of that from all teams/cities. Whether it's a lot or a small amount remains to be seen.

QUOTE (soxforlife05 @ Mar 12, 2017 -> 11:58 AM) Would be interesting if the Raiders and White Sox both ended up in Las Vegas. I think it would be the ultimate home field advantage. Hmm, maybe it's just me but I'd find it a lot more interesting if the Sox stayed in Chicago.

The Sox absolutely could be better. Baseball works in mysterious ways sometimes. And it certainly doesn't go by the book and how the teams look on paper. That said they probably will be worse. I would guesstimate this team probably stands about a 70% chance of being worse than last year. Maybe about a 20% chance of being about the same. And a 10% chance of being better. And this is partially from me thinking last year's team underachieved a little bit.

A few people mentioned this could kick the Yankees back in to the Q sweepstakes if they feel the Red Sox are more vulnerable now. Or...it could kick the Yankees back in to the Q sweepstakes, because they'd know they are f'ed for the next 3-4 years if Boston has both Quintana and Sale and both are on very team favoring contracts. To me that's the best case scenario, because I like the Yankees prospects the most here. The Sox should kick start this in to motion with a leak that the Red Sox are inquiring about Quintana, and see where it goes. Should we expect a tweet from Bob Nightengale in the day or two?

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Mar 2, 2017 -> 11:56 AM) If Boston needs replacement for Price, best FA available could be Doug Fister. Industry speculation: Will BOS use Devers to pursue Quintana? https://twitter.com/Buster_ESPN/status/837360517106794496 Oh wow, this could be great...

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 01:10 PM) What does Alvarez do for us though? He is marginally better than replacement level with limited upside Our intention is to TANK the next 2 seasons, why bother making additions like him? I think we're seeing in this thread that some fans would rather see the Sox stay on the treadmill of mediocrity, than tank and rebuild properly. Personally I'm all-in on the tank - but the Sox need to move more players and do it soon if they're going to do it right. It will probably be too late if they wait for the all-star break or trading deadline to make some deals.

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Feb 28, 2017 -> 10:23 AM) You never know if he is hitting. At least he has shown he can hit. What do you think the White Sox could get for Davidson? They are not going to get anything for either of them. Davidson probably will do worse, which is what we want since we're rebuilding and want a crack at Seth Beer.

QUOTE (shipps @ Feb 27, 2017 -> 10:08 AM) How often does this happen? I am curious because this has been mentioned a lot but I am not sure if this happens every year and how frequently. I know the Cardinals are always good for it but I am not sure if its a forgone conclusion to happen frequently enough that we can count on this being a situation in the next month. I am really curious. It doesn't necessarily have to be in spring training. The position the White Sox are in is pretty unique. I don't think many teams go in to a season waving the white flag from the start like the Sox are doing this year. It generally doesn't motivate ticket sales very well lol. So...it could be a major injury in May. Trades don't often happen in May, but a big part of that is that there usually aren't sellers that early. Well, the Sox will be if what they say is true.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Feb 27, 2017 -> 09:56 AM) Exactly Sox should be looking for best players available regardless of position moving forward. You can always add through free agency down the line, but right now we need an influx of talent across the board I agree with that under one stipulation...they need to lean towards position players with certain things. Specifically any return on a Quintana trade and the #11 pick in the upcoming draft. I mean yeah, if they think the next Chris Sale fell to #11 then you take him, but otherwise I hope they lean heavily towards taking a bat there. Regarding specific positions, yeah, that's irrelevant at this point...just load up on the best talent available and sort it out later.

Didn't he already tell us it was a fact that Quintana would be moved before spring training? I mean, this article literally tells us nothing. Thanks Bruce.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Feb 22, 2017 -> 11:41 AM) My counter point is that raising Jones' value while removing the risk of Robertson's 2016 not being an aberration helps balance it out. Or nuking Jones' value. We've seen relievers who are great setup men, then fall on their face when put in the position to close. They say it's a completely different mindset. Matt Thornton comes to mind in recent Sox history as someone who fell off a cliff when put in the position to close.