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QUOTE (shipps @ Apr 24, 2017 -> 11:18 AM) Eaton playing well helps but the fact that Lopez and Dunning are crushing it as well when they were the secondary and third pieces to the trade it may still be lopsided. We wont know for some time though. I just think the previous trade with them does play a role in how they approach making a trade for Robertson and it wouldnt be in a good way for the Sox. Is that not fair to think? http://www.milb.com/player/index.jsp?sid=t...tching/2017/ALL A quick glance at his stats, and it looks like the homerun is killing Lopez so far. I still love him as a prospect though.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Apr 23, 2017 -> 03:50 PM) still think at the end of the day...the Cubs make the most sense...for both teams. Their rotation is pretty meh besides Lester and Arrieta...and Hendricks looks rather pedestrian this year IMO. They can't keep trotting out Lackey out there. And honestly...would the Cubs back themselves into a corner or forced to give Arrieta a big contract? If I'm the Cubs, I'm probably more interested in Gonzalez or Holland at this point. And they'd come much cheaper. I don't even know how Quintana could be traded right now. The Sox aren't going to lower their demands based on a 3 week slump, yet no team will pay huge for a starter that is 0-4 with an ERA over 6. We're just going to have to wait it out until Q normalizes and then see where things are at.

I think the Sox need this guy more than anybody else. They need the fans to stay somewhat engaged over the next couple of rough, losing years. If they cheapskate out here, it will give some people the impression this is a phony rebuild. I think the Sox are the favorites and will get him.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 18, 2017 -> 12:18 PM) Sox do have money to spend, but I can't see them going nuts in a bidding war either Teams already over have more incentive to continue to spend, but I would not rule the White Sox out if they feel strongly enough about him I know history isn't on the side of this, but I think they will spend. Part of it is because they've already dumped some salary, and a lot more will be coming off the books soon, via trades, contracts expiring, etc. And they know they aren't expected to spend a dime next winter. This is it. If they want to keep the fans motivated through this rebuild, there probably isn't a bigger thing they can do than sign Luis Robert. Now with that said, if he reaches Moncada money and you're talking $62 mil between the signing bonus and penalty...that I just can't see JR doing. But I'm not sure any of the mentioned teams contending for him would go that far. So I'm going to go out on a limb and say yes the Sox will splurge here. They have to, more than any of the other teams listed as major contenders for him.

QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Apr 16, 2017 -> 10:14 PM) They already have Wade Davis rented for this ONE year...they're unlikely to hugely overpay for Robertson, especially after the Chapman deal last year. Definitely unlikely, but you never know how things will develop. And Robertson has shown he can be an elite setup man as well.

QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Apr 16, 2017 -> 07:31 PM) Go Sox! The Cubs bullpen was gashed today. Hmm, Robertson for Happ? Ok I'm getting greedy here

QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Apr 15, 2017 -> 02:01 PM) This is awful. Hahn f***ed up big time. Not taking back Glasnow and some garbage for Q? Nah, Hahn made the right choice. Quintana has all season to fix this. And even if he doesn't, he cna fix it next year and his high value will return...and the contract will still be amazing.

I guess we know Q is all-in for #tankforbeer

QUOTE (greg775 @ Apr 15, 2017 -> 12:16 AM) Because he's nasty, unhittable (right now). He's gonna have 7 blown saves by the all star break, you wait. Personally I'm not a rebuild guy. I'm saying IF THE SOX are serious about this rebuild crap, you deal him now. Some team can get him for the whole season and right now he looks like the greatest reliever of all time. We've seen this before. He is excellent. But he also will lose it. He blows a lot of saves traditionally and the blown saves are coming. So many teams need a closer. Trade him now for 4-5 prospects, 1-2 prize prospects. I get what you're saying, but nobody will pay a lot for a closer in April. There hasn't been time for injuries, bad seasons, established pennant races, etc. I think we just have to cross our fingers and hope he somewhat holds this form for a couple of months.

QUOTE (Y2JImmy0 @ Apr 12, 2017 -> 11:22 AM) He did. He said it before he was drafted too though. It wasn't like he loved Chris Sale and then changed his mind after the Sox drafted him. That's how people act. Right. And to be fair, isn't the widespread perception that Chris Sale might/probably will be a reliever the only reason he dropped to #13?

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 10:09 AM) I am scared to death of Glasnow. That walk total is a huge redflag, like a huge K total for a hitter. I agree with this. And on top of that, there's almost no circumstances where a pitcher headlining a deal for Q is acceptable. The Sox need to bring bats back if they move him.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Apr 11, 2017 -> 08:47 AM) I don't think it will be and I see a deal with Pittsburgh very unlikely (as I've been saying since the very first rumor). I'm thinking Houston eventually ponies up. My thinking is, Houston has had 5001 opportunities to trade for Q and wouldn't budge. I just don't see it happening with them. My guess is it happens to a team that hasn't been one of the more rumored teams for Quintana. Teams like the Nats, Dodgers, Red Sox (gasp!) or Cubs maybe. It will depend on how the playoff scenarios develop and who's starting pitching has injuries/underperformers, etc.

And Austin Meadows has started the season 1 for 14 with 8 strikeouts in AAA...hurry, call him up Rick!

QUOTE (maxjusttyped @ Apr 10, 2017 -> 04:50 PM) It's entirely possible Boston was the only team willing to trade a *premium* position prospect for Sale or Q. We'll never know for sure, but nothing that was reported to me suggests the Sox could have gotten Bregman or Swanson in a deal for Sale. Prior to the Boston trade being agreed to it looked like Sale was heading to Washington in a deal headlined by Victor Robles. I think Washington was willing to move Victor Robles for a Sale deal. Because I remember it came out right after the trade that they were willing to move him for Sale, but would not move him for Quintana. Victor Robles is a step behind Moncada in the prospect level, but is probably equal with Meadows, Torres and some of the other guys that have been untouchable for Quintana.

QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Apr 10, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) That's where you're wrong. Maybe not quite the return, but it will be in the same ballpark. Q is 90% of sale and is signed for another year. Their overall surplus value is similar. Man do I hope I'm wrong on this, but I doubt it. We'll find out this trading deadline. We've already seen a number of teams balk at that type of return (which we assume the Sox are demanding).

QUOTE (ChiSox59 @ Apr 10, 2017 -> 11:03 AM) I think it pretty obvious that the Sox are going to get a high pick. However, there is much more value in the players that can be acquired for Quintana, Jones, Robertson, Frazier, Melky, Jennings, Gonzalez, Holland, Putnam, someone taking Shields contract, than there is is wanting all those players to contribute to a 60 win team. The players that can be acquired on a whole for the current veterans far outweighs the difference between the 3rd pick and the 7th pick, IMO. We need those aforementioned players to have a good first few months. Frazier pulling his head out of his rear would be a good start. Collectively there is more value, sure. Individually, no. I'm sorry, but Quintana isn't going to bring back a Chris Sale type return. And it probably won't even be close. I think some of us will need to grasp that at some point. Teams just don't want to part with superstar potential prospects, except in rare cases like when guys like Chris Sale are made available to trade.

QUOTE (ptatc @ Apr 9, 2017 -> 09:23 PM) Yesterdays win 94 posts. Today's loss 148. #beerrun

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 9, 2017 -> 09:51 PM) It doesn't count strikeouts, that's the whole point. It allows you see a player's batting average not tied to frequency of contact. Hmm... Seth Beer's current stats (that are relevant to this discussion) as listed on Clemson's site: Overall stats: .265 BA, 113ab, 30 hits, 9 home runs, 18 strikeouts Stats with homeruns taken out: .202 BA, 104ab, 21 hits Stats with homeruns and strikeouts taken out: .244 BA, 86ab, 21 hits The numbers with hr's taken out, but not strikeouts is the closest one to the .209 listed earlier in the thread. That was based off a slightly different point, because his average was .255 there, but is .265 right now. Maybe I'm having a brain fart and there's something else to discount from his totals that hasn't dawned on me.

QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Apr 9, 2017 -> 05:50 PM) Because it's only considering balls in play, which seems to make sense to me. I guess, but it also seems to count strikeouts, which aren't anymore 'in play' than home runs.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Apr 7, 2017 -> 03:08 PM) The value of a plus hitting catcher who is passable behind the plate is arguably the most valuable position on the diamond, position player wise Most mlb catchers are not great hitters You absolutely let Collins develop as a catcher until you are forced to move him to 1B/DH 1B/DH can be filled by nearly anybody who can hit, catcher not so much Plus, if you move Collins off of catcher as you are saying, who catches? We are left with a hole and are searching for other catchers still Much easier to find 1B/DH that starting caliber backstops I agree with this. If he sticks at catcher and is a great hitter, and you can find a big thumper to play 1B, you've come a long way towards an elite offense.

QUOTE (hi8is @ Apr 9, 2017 -> 05:41 PM) Serious question... from a somewhat stat n00b... How does one have a batting average on balls in play below their batting average? Gonna guess that stat doesn't include home runs, which he has 9 of so far. Now, why a stat would be useful by subtracting home runs is beyond me.

Quintana struggling with his control early on

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 12:38 PM) I think we do much better in picking say 10th with 75 wins, but getting some decent value for the veterans versus winning 55/60 games, and getting nothing for guys like Frazier/Cabrera/Garcia/Robertson etc while getting the #1 pick. In the first scenario we are able to add many players to our farm system. It becomes deeper, richer and more diverse, versus adding a minimal amount in trades, but moving up the draft boards. Signing Luis Robert to me could take some pressure off needing a high pick, because I'd view him as basically a free top 5 pick in the draft. And what I'm really getting at is - I think to be a perennial World Series contender, you need some stars. So often stars are picked right at the very top of the draft. And speaking of that 2015 draft, which was just a year and a half ago - wouldn't it be nice if we had any of Swanson, Bregman, Tucker or Benintendi? As nice a prospect as Carson Fulmer is, who wouldn't give their right arm to trade him for one of those 4 guys? I guess it's a difference of philosophy - quantity or quality? Or maybe a mix of the two.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 11:57 AM) In the Chris Sale deal we got a Kris Bryant potential level of player in Moncada, as well as Kopech and Basabe. If a draft were to occur today, all three would be first round picks based on their ceilings. Kopech would be a top 5 pick at lowest. Another way to look at it is. If the Sox had lost 2 or 3 more games in 2014, they draft Benintendi instead of Fulmer. Of course, you could then say that shows these guys can be had outside the top 2 or 3..... Either way, I'm rooting for Quintana to have a Cy Young caliber year, while the team still manages to crack the top 3 or 4 of the draft. That's a hard sell on Quintana though. Losing at that high of rate would wear down most normal players.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Apr 4, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) That is just it. I think we get MORE benefits from the team playing well and having assets to trade, than we do for moving up a few draft pick slots. Sure we get a better player up front, but I think potential packages for guys like Avi, Frazier, Melky, Robertson etc, would long outweigh the better draft pick position. We'd be getting multiple players back, who are closer to the majors, and more of a known quantity. Eh, I don't know. If you can land a White Sox version of Kris Bryant in the draft - that's going to be darn near impossible to top anywhere else, including from a Quintana trade. Of course, landing that type of player I understand is a longshot, both with getting that pick, and him actually working out to that degree.