Squirmin' for Yermin

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 04:04 PM) http://www.stltoday.com/sports/if-not-stan...cbe99163c8.html This article seems to suggest something in the realm of Flaherty + Piscotty + Bader might be just short of what it would take from the Cardinals fan perspective. Personally I would want more in order to deal Abreu. If I am St. Louis I would be very interested in acquiring Abreu if the cost was only prospects. They have a glut of outfielders and Flaherty is expendable. No matter what kind of good stuff we are smoking there is no way you get that package for Abreu.

Cards just signed Mikolas so now they have even more SP depth to trade from. Making Flaherty and possibly even Reyes now available. If Hahn could get Reyes he would have reached his "asking for an arm and both legs" assumption.

QUOTE (Sleepy Harold @ Dec 5, 2017 -> 11:42 AM) Buster Olney @Buster_ESPN 10s The Angels have agreed to terms with infielder Kevin Maitan, who was made a free agent after MLB ruled the Braves violated rules in signing him. I wonder how much he is getting

Of course the white sox are a forgetful team.. espn, ESP freaking N forgot that we even ever won a championship. THE WORLDWIDE LEADER IN SPORTS forgot that... Not one worker thought of us and brought it up.. It was embarrassing and it shows what people outside of the fan base think of us.. Oh well. I love us so that's all that matters

If we did happen to trade Abreu, MAtt Adams would be the perfect signing.. Been a very good bat but has seemed to be bitten in the butt by bad situations.. Not much playing time in STL because they had Carpenter at 1B and not much in Atlanta because of Freeman.. He could be a big bat for an AL team that needs someone.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 03:35 PM) I doubt Hahn needs to be truly overwhelmed. If Abreu was 26/27 years old with 3 or 4 years remaining on his contract then it would be a different story completely, but he's still a quality asset controlled for two seasons. He's valuable, but I would be astonished if a team parted with its very best prospects (depending on system of course) for him. The White Sox can ask for Devers, Benintendi, Rogers, etc. but they aren't getting those guys in exchange for Abreu. In order for any deal to actualize we need to start with a sky high price, and have the negotiations take us to a place where the price is still fairly high, but acceptable for the Abreu suitor. Abreu makes sense for the Astros, Cardinals, Rockies, Indians and Red Sox right now, just remains to be seen if they want to pay the price. My exact thoughts.

QUOTE (Wanne @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 03:03 PM) Wow...great signing! MLB article states that Renteria was a big reason he decided to come here also. good to hear about Renteria

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 01:50 PM) I know Flaherty is pretty good, but is Sierra at the level where that's a deal we can't turn down? Any second piece is going to have question marks. To get anyone as the second piece that we could immediately plug into the MLB would be a cant turn down deal. He has potential and is a great defensive CF. He's the second piece not first.. If you think that trade is light then people are going to get really upset if we wind up trading him and we see what we get. However, I hope I'm wrong

QUOTE (Lillian @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 01:41 PM) Flaherty and Sierra. I don't see how unless you're of the camp that doesn't want to trade Abreu regardless. I'd be surprised if we got a deal of Flaherty and Sierra for Abreu.. Seems too good to not jump all over

This is outstanding. I was wanting to see if we could get him when the offseason began

QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 11:49 AM) I do think we can compete in 2019, but that's beside the point- I value his leadership more than most, I suppose. It's not just an on the field issue to me. We've had major clubhouse issues over the years and he has been vital to maintaining it That is just such a soft argument to me though.. You can sign a cheap leader if that's what you're worried about. Get me a good young prospect or two who have a legit chance to make an impact during our contention period.

QUOTE (steveno89 @ Dec 1, 2017 -> 10:44 AM) Jason Martinez of mlbtraderumors had this to say: "Zamboni 5:44 Flaherty and Sierra get it done for the Cards for Abreu Jason Martinez 5:45 I'd say one of their top pitching prospects, one of their best OF prospects and maybe one low-level guy with high upside. So Flaherty/Sierra could be in the vicinity of what it would take." I'd prefer to swap Kelly and Flaherty based on organizational needs but that return would be absolutely outstanding.

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:55 AM) I hope this brings other teams like the Rockies around with more depth in the system. Rockies are losing cargo and could move Desmond to outfield and open up 1st base They would be the ideal trade partner.. Give me Dahl please

QUOTE (coco1997 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:27 AM) Gotta get Chavis back in any Abreu trade scenario with Boston. He's blocked by Devers at third and would be blocked by the guy he's getting traded for. I'd agree. Chavis makes too much sense. But I DON'T think you can get JBJ and Chavis. OR Groome and Chavis.. So I think a deal will have to get creative.

QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:25 AM) If Rutherford came over and hit immediately, you would have no problem finding someone. Right.. But even at the time of the deal most people thought it was really light. But anyways.. that's another discussion. Back to trading Abreu!

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:21 AM) I think he really wanted Rutherford. He better have really wanted him... I've yet to find someone who was super happy with that deal though (like the others)

QUOTE (Scoots @ Nov 29, 2017 -> 11:19 AM) If Hahn has shown us anything in the last 12 months, it's that he won't budge on a move if he thinks he is not getting what his player is worth. Abreu is undervalued and is worth way more than what someone not in the Sox organization might think he is worth. He probably has 3 more seasons of .300 average, 30 homers and around 100 RBIs. The only way I see him going is if Hahn can get a deal done similar to Eaton and Sale. He budged BIG TIME on the Yankees deal though... I'm still sad

I love this. Don't forget about Eduardo Rodriguez either. We had interest in him in a Sale deal if I remember correctly. He could be another MLB player available.

Here's another fun one... Rodon for Bradley Jr.

QUOTE (zisk @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 12:46 PM) I am hoping for Carlos Gonzalez. LF,DH,RF til Eloy is ready. Then flip him at the deadline if he has a bounce back season. Yes I have thought of him and loved the thought of bringing him in on a one year deal

QUOTE (greg775 @ Nov 27, 2017 -> 10:26 AM) This goes both ways. You guys who only want prospects to be our rebuilt WS team frustrate me. Why? Our division blows? Yes there's been a flavor of the month, KC when it had the great bullpen and Cleveland (I guess) the past two years. But it doesn't take much to compete in this division. That's why it frustrates me to get rid of Avi and Abreu and push back contention time even more. You guys act like the rebuild is the only way to win a division and get hot and win a WS. And by rebuild I mean the entire roster. Some of us like to have some familiar White Sox names around. It's not our fault it "hasn't worked" before because of an incompetent front office. I understand your position. I don't believe you try to understand ours. Minnie made the playoffs this year for gawd sakes. You guys give our front office a pass for horrid baseball since 2005. I don't. Giving our front office a "pass" would mean to let them keep doing what they had been doing and NOT selling. Which is exactly what you want Greg.. Sounds like you're giving them the pass.. But oh well.. the incoherence is confusing.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:57 PM) The Sox would still be out. Penalty phase is two years. We are now serving year 1. well this makes me sad... I didn't know/forgot it was a two year penalty

QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 03:48 PM) Important note: Every team can sign Kevin Maitan. Teams will be able to use money from the current bonus period (2017-18) or dip into next year's pool (2018-19). They cannot combine the money from both years. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/933081338818777089 Theoretically, this would allow all teams to go after Kevin Maitan, but as we know, teams already have most of their 2018-19 bonus pools committed. Early signings are simply a reality in the current state of play in Latin America. https://twitter.com/JeffPassan/status/933081643610509312 F*** yes.. Let's go balls to the wall!

QUOTE (GenericUserName @ Nov 21, 2017 -> 01:13 PM) We might not be. I don't know how to embed a tweet, but Badler said this a little while ago: With the new international system in place, the precedent set with the Red Sox doesn't really matter. Badlers tweet makes me feel a little better about our chances.. Let's hope for a change

We aren't in play here right? Since we can only offer 300k.. or can we go over? Is this a special case? I'm confused lol