Y2Jimmy0 Posted August 10, 2016 Share Posted August 10, 2016 QUOTE (Harry Chappas @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 01:03 PM) Because Sale could have 20 wins and is going for the Cy Young. I know SABR stats overshadow wins but it is still a used stat by mainstream fans for indicating success. It's a stat used by stupid fans. It doesn't make sense and Sale has no control over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Four of last five save opportunities blown (by the bullpen overall)...now leading the entire AL with 21 blown saves. Bring on Burdi. At the very least, DFA Albers and let Kahnle, Ynoa and Turner give it a try. Ranaudo too, why not... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 07:18 PM) Four of last five save opportunities blown (by the bullpen overall)...now leading the entire AL with 21 blown saves. Bring on Burdi. At the very least, DFA Albers and let Kahnle, Ynoa and Turner give it a try. Ranaudo too, why not... I liked Ranaudo's start. Like to see more. Agree there's no point in keeping Albers around. They gave Turner a try last night...I'll say this, Turner's still not a good reliever -yet- but he's massively improved from where he was as a starter. They are keeping Robertson around because he's still their 2nd to best reliever. But I would let him go for free on waivers and invest the savings elsewhere next year. Edited August 11, 2016 by GreenSox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatchetman Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 You need Albers to come into the games where Shields can't get out of the second inning. He's been a good soldier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 07:29 PM) I liked Ranaudo's start. Like to see more. Agree there's no point in keeping Albers around. They gave Turner a try last night...I'll say this, Turner's still not a good reliever -yet- but he's massively improved from where he was as a starter. They are keeping Robertson around because he's still their 2nd to best reliever. But I would let him go for free on waivers and invest the savings elsewhere next year. Letting Robertson go for free would be a bad move. As disappointing as his season has been, there are teams that would like to have him in the bullpen come the offseason. The Sox are in a good position to be able to move him once the season is up. Judging value some relievers other teams got back, the Sox clearly were asking the moon for their major league pieces or actually think they can contend next season. They definitely dropped the ball, but I still think they could get a solid prospect or two in December for him. I wouldn't give up on him yet, he's not washed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CWSpalehoseCWS Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (Hatchetman @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 07:47 PM) You need Albers to come into the games where Shields can't get out of the second inning. He's been a good soldier. The Sox would be better off giving that time to players they should be evaluating. Albers future with this club ended back in June. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Anyway we can deal Robertson and then spread the money owed to him over a few mid relievers in the offseason? And trying Burdi out in the closer spot with Jones as a fallback if they decide not to use him as a starter in the minors? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) They'll likely give the job to Jones first based on their past history of going to veterans before turning to a rookie. Jenks was pretty much a no brainer adter Takatsu got figured out and Hermanson faded in 2005. On the other hand, thry gave Reed a lot of rope in 2012. At any rate, they won't just give the job to Burdi without Jones failing first imo. Edited August 11, 2016 by caulfield12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SI1020 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (lasttriptotulsa @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 07:22 PM) In 2002, not 2012 Dan Wright threw nearly 200 innings with a FIP- of 106 (just slightly worse than league average) and an xFIP- of 100 (right at league average). That was good for 1.7 fWAR. So yes, Dan Wright was a pretty valuable member of the 2002 Sox though it had nothing to with his win total. Do you really believe that? Did you watch him pitch? He was bloody awful. Since you seem to be cherry picking saber stats how about his -1.1 JAWS and career WAR. Ranking him 3209th in the pantheon of MLB starting pitchers. At least he did come in at 0.0 in 2002. The Sox lack of SP depth cost them dearly from 2001-04 and Dan Wright was part of that problem. I will grant you that 2002 was his "best" season. As for the topic David Robertson has at least for me been a major disappointment. Like last season he started the year Rivera like and then regressed. I feel my stomach churning and pulse rising when he comes in to close a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/...nded/order/true Leading the majors in blown saves...not just AL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/...nded/order/true Leading the majors in blown saves...not just AL. What does that have to do with Robertson? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Bumped...another "double blown save" game. And someone's going to trade for him this offseason, and give up prospects to boot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 he needs to go... or change roles. Looks like a closer is one of the things we need for next year. Yuck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (Dam8610 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:34 PM) What does that have to do with Robertson? Well Robertson leads MLB in blown saves the past two years... so I think there is some connection perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam8610 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (harkness @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 10:58 PM) Well Robertson leads MLB in blown saves the past two years... so I think there is some connection perhaps. Then say that. Robertson isn't the only pitcher with a blown save in tonight's game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harkness99 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 10:43 AM) And I think David Robertson blew one of those saves immediately after getting over worked because of the Sale meltdown. Perhaps.. but Sales melt down miniscule in amount of innings cost to the bullpen then Roberston's inability to close games has. Edited August 11, 2016 by harkness Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenSox Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Is it true that he was waived and claimed (but Sox pulled him back)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caulfield12 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Sounds about right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greg775 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (CWSpalehoseCWS @ Aug 11, 2016 -> 02:05 AM) Letting Robertson go for free would be a bad move. As disappointing as his season has been, there are teams that would like to have him in the bullpen come the offseason. The Sox are in a good position to be able to move him once the season is up. Judging value some relievers other teams got back, the Sox clearly were asking the moon for their major league pieces or actually think they can contend next season. They definitely dropped the ball, but I still think they could get a solid prospect or two in December for him. I wouldn't give up on him yet, he's not washed up. They had a chance to trade him a month before the deadline when he was doing OK and it was obvious the Sox were not contenders. Sad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
captain54 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 09:29 PM) http://www.espn.com/mlb/stats/team/_/stat/...nded/order/true Leading the majors in blown saves...not just AL. Robertson is tied with the Oakland closer for most blown saves in MLB... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (GreenSox @ Aug 10, 2016 -> 11:06 PM) Is it true that he was waived and claimed (but Sox pulled him back)? Probably. And it's a common thing. I predicted a team like the Yankees with a lot of money off the books would place a claim for the off chance the White Sox just let his salary go (like the Rios situation). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 he wasnt waived, he was placed on waivers. If a player is placed on waivers(which most are), that doesnt mean the team doesnt want the player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Aug 11, 2016 -> 07:37 AM) he wasnt waived, he was placed on waivers. If a player is placed on waivers(which most are), that doesnt mean the team doesnt want the player Exactly. He's not going anywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shysocks Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 He was definitely claimed last year. http://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2015/08/yank...on-waivers.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BamaDoc Posted August 11, 2016 Share Posted August 11, 2016 Probably our best hope is to keep him, hope he has a good first half and move asap. The financial commitment of the acquiring team would be lessened and the return may actually better than this winter where his value is low. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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