Lemon_44 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (iamshack @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 10:35 PM) I don't think there is any possible way that was going to happen. We could have gotten the Red Sox top 5 prospects and there would have still been people that preferred the certainty of Sale. I disagree. I'm concerned Hahn wasn't able to get even 1 MLB ready player for the best pitcher in the AL. Earlier in the thread it was reported that Hahn re-initiated talks with DD by saying the Sox we're wiling to "come off" the guys they had previously asked about. I don't get that approach. Moncada will probably be good but I would have liked a MLB player in there as well. That's not too much to ask for the best pitcher in the AL who's left handed and paid peanuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:36 AM) Word this morning that the Nats package included Giolito, Robles, AND Lopez The more Nats get squeezed the better for us. Lost out on Davis now too. That is a very competitive package, had to be hard to turn down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Lemon_44 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:39 AM) I disagree. I'm concerned Hahn wasn't able to get even 1 MLB ready player for the best pitcher in the AL. Earlier in the thread it was reported that Hahn re-initiated talks with DD by saying the Sox we're wiling to "come off" the guys they had previously asked about. I don't get that approach. Moncada will probably be good but I would have liked a MLB player in there as well. That's not too much to ask for the best pitcher in the AL who's left handed and paid peanuts. Apparently Nats offered Lopez, so we were offered some. We took the players we liked most, which I'm happy about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bighurt574 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:03 AM) Greg, it took three years of tearing it down for the Cubs to win it all. That's no guarantee for the Sox, but you do understand that rebuilding means get bad really fast, then rebound, right? The first year of tanking got them Kris Bryant, the next got them Schwarber. That also requires drafting well with those picks and a little bit of luck (imagine if Houston takes Bryant over Appel, or if you have top picks in weak drafts). Look how long it took KC to get it right. Edited December 7, 2016 by bighurt574 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Rosenthals new column says Nats not interested in Q Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 01:03 AM) Greg, it took three years of tearing it down for the Cubs to win it all. That's no guarantee for the Sox, but you do understand that rebuilding means get bad really fast, then rebound, right? The first year of tanking got them Kris Bryant, the next got them Schwarber. 3 years, and somewhere around half a billion dollars in free agency. This is where we lack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (NCsoxfan @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:36 AM) Word this morning that the Nats package included Giolito, Robles, AND Lopez While a great package, I do think we had to go for the group with the best position player headlining. They could have changed our minds with Turner, but the Sox so lack positional talent, they almost had to go this route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyyle23 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:54 AM) Rosenthals new column says Nats not interested in Q awwww Rizzo is mad he didnt get his guy. That must really suck to get played in trade talks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RockRaines Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 07:11 AM) 3 years, and somewhere around half a billion dollars in free agency. This is where we lack. The Cubs also hit on a ridiculous number of draft picks. Nobody could have predicted they would all produce like they have. Couple that with a couple of miracle trades and you can win a title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:54 AM) Rosenthals new column says Nats not interested in Q Well, they can be dumb if they want. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 11:50 PM) I'm starting to think it makes sense to keep Q, unless they get a similar package for him. This is just nuts. This mentality by some Sox fans around here is just nuts. Sale is #1 in like 10 stats in AL pitchers over the last 5 years. Jose Quintana is not, nor is he close. The Sox can get a couple of very solid prospects for him, but nothing like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quin Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (RockRaines @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:10 AM) The Cubs also hit on a ridiculous number of draft picks. Nobody could have predicted they would all produce like they have. Couple that with a couple of miracle trades and you can win a title. I obviously used best case example, but the Astros botched a number of picks are in a much better place than before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:30 AM) This is just nuts. This mentality by some Sox fans around here is just nuts. Sale is #1 in like 10 stats in AL pitchers over the last 5 years. Jose Quintana is not, nor is he close. The Sox can get a couple of very solid prospects for him, but nothing like that. He is close, in fact. I don't know what stats you're looking at. Another thing to consider with Quintana is the extra year of control he has over Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Steve9347 @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:30 AM) This is just nuts. This mentality by some Sox fans around here is just nuts. Sale is #1 in like 10 stats in AL pitchers over the last 5 years. Jose Quintana is not, nor is he close. The Sox can get a couple of very solid prospects for him, but nothing like that. If the 95% rumors are true, Q should be gone already. He's not the caliber of Sale. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saufley Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (bmags @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 06:44 AM) The more Nats get squeezed the better for us. Lost out on Davis now too. That is a very competitive package, had to be hard to turn down. I keep hearing there is a snag in the Soler Davis deal??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 (edited) QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:31 AM) I obviously used best case example, but the Astros botched a number of picks are in a much better place than before. Brady Aiken is gonna be a stud for Houston. Mark Appel too. Idiot! Edited December 7, 2016 by Jose Abreu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Panerista Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Quinarvy @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:31 AM) I obviously used best case example, but the Astros botched a number of picks are in a much better place than before. Seriously, the Astros are young and exciting. I wish I could get the channel they are on in my cable package. I'd much rather be fun and compete than be whatever the last couple of years were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldsox Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 I'm surprised Sox could not get Swihart included, partly because Bosox don't really need him, and we do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (oldsox @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:35 AM) I'm surprised Sox could not get Swihart included, partly because Bosox don't really need him, and we do. I wonder if the Sox had the option to take on the rest of Moncada's signing bonus along with taking on another player. My gut says probably not though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalapse Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 6, 2016 -> 08:27 PM) I guess the poster doesn't realize bizarro is opposite haha Personality wise, like in the Sealab sense. Same dude with the exception of how they carry themselves which is total opposite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special K Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Decent article on the haul http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/scouting-th...for-chris-sale/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bmags Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 http://www.espn.com/blog/buster-olney/insider/post?id=15286 The line many probably wanted to hear sorry if duplicate: "But some evaluators thought Boston’s offer was staggering, a value-for-value overpay by a team willing and able to do so. “No way anyone was close to that,” one rival executive noted. Keith Law writes that Chicago got great return." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dick Allen Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Kopech's stock has really risen. Heyman had a tweet that one team put Moncada's worth at $100 million, and put Kopech's at $100 million Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve9347 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 QUOTE (Jose Abreu @ Dec 7, 2016 -> 08:32 AM) He is close, in fact. No he's not. He's a very good starting pitcher. Chris Sale is a generational pitcher and the best in the history of our entire franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 7, 2016 Share Posted December 7, 2016 Retweeted Daryl Van Schouwen (@CST_soxvan): Sale on his time with White Sox: "It didn't work. I really wish it did. I look forward to the next chapter." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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