What do you think the Sox would need back if they traded Quintana, Robertson and Jennings (read yesterday they are looking for pitching; Jennings replaces Logan) plus some of Robertson's contract to the Rockies? Rodgers and Tapia start the convo?

I'll take Frazier, Torres and Judge.

 

I would too. I just can tell which deal would be better

 

Frazier, Torres, and Judge from the Yankkes

Martes, Tucker, Reed, Stubbs from Houston

 

With the Yankees deal you get 2 major league ready players (one with BIG power)

With Houston deal you only get 1 major league player (with BIG power)

 

I really think the Yankees deal would be better for the Sox but Houston deal provides more organizational depth and a higher end prospect at C

What do you think the Sox would need back if they traded Quintana, Robertson and Jennings (read yesterday they are looking for pitching; Jennings replaces Logan) plus some of Robertson's contract to the Rockies? Rodgers and Tapia start the convo?

 

If we trade with the Rockies I would want Dahl to be in that conversation as well

That is the exact package I'd want from Yanks, but I think Cashman would get killed for doing it. They gained a lot of goodwill in those trades with their fans.

If we trade with the Rockies I would want Dahl to be in that conversation as well

 

Good point. I forgot about Dahl. I did look up Rodgers stats from last season and then I thought maybe they won't move him for anyone lol (except of course, a young controllable cheap front of the rotation arm).

I don't see Cashman trading his farm for a guy he let go, if for nothing more than ego.

If we trade with the Rockies I would want Dahl to be in that conversation as well

Rockies need pitching and first base. A Really big trade of Q, Robertson, and Abreu might then be enough to get Rodgers, and Dahl and a young catcher. Takes a lot of guts on both sides to do it. Rox can throw in an unknown first baseman, too, since they won't need him.

 

Rockies probably would not do it, though. But, then, Rockies are very close to being a playoff team in 2017, and this trade would help them a lot in that regard. Desmond would go to LF, and they then have a lineup that can really score runs, plus a much better pitching staff.

I'd be shocked if the Yankees traded what it's gonna take to acquire Quintana. All indications are that they really want those prospects to be part of their core going forward, and frankly that's the way the Yankees should go in my opinion. If, by the deadline they are competing, then they might become buyers to some degree. If I were them, I'd really want to hold onto those top prospects of theirs and see them through.

I agree with Rick trying to maximize value out of each player by not bunching them up, but if the Rockies offer Rodgers, Tapia, Murphy © and Dahl do we throw Q Abreu Robertson and maybe even Jones or Shields their way? Would they ever give up that much? Maybe some combination of those 4 for Q and Abreu?

I'd be shocked if the Yankees traded what it's gonna take to acquire Quintana. All indications are that they really want those prospects to be part of their core going forward, and frankly that's the way the Yankees should go in my opinion. If, by the deadline they are competing, then they might become buyers to some degree. If I were them, I'd really want to hold onto those top prospects of theirs and see them through.

 

This is why I believe the true trading options for the Sox are in order Houston, Colorado, Dodgers, Yankees (longshot)

Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo now6 seconds ago

When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove

Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo now6 seconds ago

When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove

 

Yup.

Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo now6 seconds ago

When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove

I can dig it.

The lack of catching prospects in all these packages makes me slightly concerned they aren't placing a ton of value on the position

That's extremely reasonable

Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo now6 seconds ago

When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove

 

Sox have NO power at any level in the organization. Reed has to be included

Possibility Sox are targeting all these arms with the intention of moving them/Rodon for younger position players in the future?

Possibility Sox are targeting all these arms with the intention of moving them/Rodon for younger position players in the future?

 

Sounds like they are just trying to get the best talent available for the most part.

That package is absolutely fine. Plus your getting someone to replace Q in the starting rotation because Martes might not be ready to go. I bet Musgrove is the hang up in that deal.

Sounds like they are just trying to get the best talent available for the most part.

Yup. They're not trying to win next year so just collecting the best possible talent and they'll sort it out later.

Wouldn't shock me if Musgrove is the guy the Astros don't want to part with.

Shocked JJ Cooper said he wouldn't do that deal if he's the Astros.

Rockies need pitching and first base. A Really big trade of Q, Robertson, and Abreu might then be enough to get Rodgers, and Dahl and a young catcher. Takes a lot of guts on both sides to do it. Rox can throw in an unknown first baseman, too, since they won't need him.

 

Rockies probably would not do it, though. But, then, Rockies are very close to being a playoff team in 2017, and this trade would help them a lot in that regard. Desmond would go to LF, and they then have a lineup that can really score runs, plus a much better pitching staff.

 

I think Desmond is playing first and there was talk of CarGo moving there a couple months ago.

The lack of catching prospects in all these packages makes me slightly concerned they aren't placing a ton of value on the position

Thats fair but maybe they truly feel Collins is the catcher of the future and just got wore down in the AFL, additionally they might feel that frazier and robertson/jones trade partners match up at the near major league level so its better to leverage Q for higher ceiling talent.

 

Cards could be in on Frazier, they've got Carson Kelly

Dodgers could be in on all of Frazier, Robertson & Jones they've got Austin Barnes

Red Sox could be in on Robertson & Jones they've still got Swihart marked as 3rd string catcher

Nats could be in on Robertson & Jones and they've got Severino.

Peter Gammons ‏@pgammo now6 seconds ago

When Astros askewd on Jose Quintana, Chisox asked 3 names:Francis Martes, Kyle Tucker, Joe Musgrove

 

0 problem with that ask.