January 29, 20179 yr QUOTE (ChiSoxFanMike @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 11:22 PM) I think Hansen has the highest ceiling of any Sox pitching prospect other than Kopech. Close , #1 Giolito #2 Kopech #3 Hansen.
January 29, 20179 yr Ya it kinda seems to me that Giolito has somehow become underrated as a prospect and that's with him being in the top 25-30 on every list.
January 29, 20179 yr QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 12:28 AM) Giolito's ceiling is almost incomprehensible. Like in terms of raw potential he could replace Sale all by his lonesome. He's got the frame, the velocity and the hook. Kopech I suppose could come close to that ceiling just because he has that peak-Verlander veloxity, but Hansen has a ways to get there. Right now we have 3 guys in our system who could replace Sale by raw stuff, 2 of them by trades this year. On top of that, we have perhaps the best college pitching prospect since Stras already in our rotation and several other guys who could be really good. This rotation should be the best rotation in baseball in 2020 already. With no additional starters added. I am content with this starting point.
January 29, 20179 yr QUOTE (Con te Giolito @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 09:24 PM) My worry with Hansen is how well he responds to a taste of adversity. It sounds like he just fell apart mentally when things went wrong at Oklahoma which caused him to lose the zone. It sounds a little paradoxical, but I'll have a hard time believing in him until he has a bad month and bounces back. Guys who can make it are the guys who can put a bad outing, or even series of outings, behind them. I don't think you are qualified to conclude his mental state . His problem with the strike zone is pretty much all in his mechanics which he has a hard time repeating due to how large he is, It's a common problem with tall pitchers . Randy Johnson took a while to find the strike zone. Hopefully with strength , flexibility and core work and the changes the Sox made he can repeat his delivery more consistently.
January 29, 20179 yr QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 12:29 AM) Right now we have 3 guys in our system who could replace Sale by raw stuff, 2 of them by trades this year. On top of that, we have perhaps the best college pitching prospect since Stras already in our rotation and several other guys who could be really good. This rotation should be the best rotation in baseball in 2020 already. With no additional starters added. I am content with this starting point. I'm thinkin' 2019. #stacked Like I've said before - WHAT A TIME TO BE ALIVE!!!
January 29, 20179 yr We all heard the same about Beck coming out of Georgia Southern (projected to go 1-1 to 1-5)...but hopefully Hansen's the real deal. And Basabe should the next position prospect to pop up on that list.
January 29, 20179 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 02:45 AM) We all heard the same about Beck coming out of Georgia Southern (projected to go 1-1 to 1-5)...but hopefully Hansen's the real deal. And Basabe should the next position prospect to pop up on that list. He was a potential Top 10, very different than 1-1.
January 29, 20179 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 02:45 AM) We all heard the same about Beck coming out of Georgia Southern (projected to go 1-1 to 1-5)...but hopefully Hansen's the real deal. And Basabe should the next position prospect to pop up on that list. No we didn't.
January 29, 20179 yr We heard similar things about Beck, I'll back Caulfield up on this one. The difference like Q said is people thought Hansen had a shot to be the 1 overall where as Beck was going to be more of a top 10 guy. Hansen also seems to have much better stuff so while I see where Caulfield is coming from they are very different players. Edited January 29, 20179 yr by Rowand44
January 29, 20179 yr MLBpipeline released their list of best tools. Some White Sox made the list: Fastest Baserunner Runner-up: Moncada Best Fastball Winner: Kopech Best Curveball Winner: Giolito Best Slider Runner-up: Kopech
January 29, 20179 yr QUOTE (caulfield12 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 12:45 AM) We all heard the same about Beck coming out of Georgia Southern (projected to go 1-1 to 1-5)...but hopefully Hansen's the real deal. And Basabe should the next position prospect to pop up on that list. Chris Beck also didn't even come close to the numbers Hansen did at Great Falls. Hansen destroyed the hitters there whereas Beck got hit around pretty good.
January 29, 20179 yr QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 12:37 PM) MLBpipeline released their list of best tools. Some White Sox made the list: Fastest Baserunner Runner-up: Moncada Best Fastball Winner: Kopech Best Curveball Winner: Giolito Best Slider Runner-up: Kopech That's pretty awesome.
January 29, 20179 yr QUOTE (Rowand44 @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 09:43 AM) We heard similar things about Beck, I'll back Caulfield up on this one. The difference like Q said is people thought Hansen had a shot to be the 1 overall where as Beck was going to be more of a top 10 guy. Hansen also seems to have much better stuff so while I see where Caulfield is coming from they are very different players. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1081432...ber-one-overall Pretty high ratio of hit and miss here...including two players from GSU. Who would have thunk that Georgia Southern would have two of the top draft prospects heading into the 2012 season? Slugging outfielder Victor Roache may get most of the attention, but it's right-hander Chris Beck that could be going higher on draft day. Beck currently ranks behind only Appel among the top college arms, and with a strong, consistent season in 2012, he could give the Stanford ace a run for his money. Beck was excellent in 2011. He thrived as the team's Friday night starter, accounting for a quarter of the team's win total with nine victories. He also posted a 3.23 ERA in 19 starts and struck out a team-high 109 batters in 103 innings. At 6'3" and 220 pounds, Beck has a perfect frame. His fastball is an above-average pitch, sitting in the low-to-mid 90s, sometimes scraping the 96-97 mph range. His slider and his changeup both improved drastically over the course of the 2011 season, with the former showing potential as a plus offering. He has also shown well during the summer, pitching incredibly well (2-3, 2.12 ERA, 41 strikeouts) in the Cape Cod League. Beck has looked sharp in his first two outings of the 2012 campaign, posting one victory while holding down a 2.08 ERA.
January 30, 20179 yr QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 29, 2017 -> 12:37 PM) MLBpipeline released their list of best tools. Some White Sox made the list: Fastest Baserunner Runner-up: Moncada Best Fastball Winner: Kopech Best Curveball Winner: Giolito Best Slider Runner-up: Kopech Wow, I had no idea Kopech's slider was considered that great. I knew it was plus, but I didn't assume it was the 2nd best slider out there. I wonder how it would compare to Rodon's. Is Kopech's arsenal essentially a right-handed version of Rodon with an extra 3-4 MPH on the fastball?
January 30, 20179 yr QUOTE (Chicago White Sox @ Jan 28, 2017 -> 09:35 PM) You're ignoring floor, and Benintendi's floor is much higher than Moncada's. Nothing wrong these rankings IMO. yes. plus benintendi has hit at the MLB level, which is a plus even in relatively small sample size. that is not always a perfect indicator (see jesus montero who raked when he came up with the yanks but then never made it) but if you have to chose between someone who hit in his debut and someone who didn't it is a bonus if the guy has hit at least indicating he is closer. I think that is also why it made sense for boston to keep Benintendi. moncada might become a better player but the red sox window is now (and maybe the next 3 years). if they have to wait two years for moncada until he is really contributing that is not good timing, they need cheap production now.
January 30, 20179 yr QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 12:53 AM) Wow, I had no idea Kopech's slider was considered that great. I knew it was plus, but I didn't assume it was the 2nd best slider out there. I wonder how it would compare to Rodon's. Is Kopech's arsenal essentially a right-handed version of Rodon with an extra 3-4 MPH on the fastball? The more I read about Kopech, the happier I get. Scouts seem to be really high on his potential to develop into a FV 60 grade starting power pitcher. We still need to add to the farm, but we have a nice collection of arms to work with in Giolito, Kopech, Lopez, Fulmer, Hansen, Burdi, Stephens, Adams
January 30, 20179 yr QUOTE (steveno89 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 08:09 AM) The more I read about Kopech, the happier I get. Scouts seem to be really high on his potential to develop into a FV 60 grade starting power pitcher. We still need to add to the farm, but we have a nice collection of arms to work with in Giolito, Kopech, Lopez, Fulmer, Hansen, Burdi, Stephens, Adams Yep. Just need a nice collection of bats now.
January 30, 20179 yr Some clarification on Collins and what goes into him being where he's at on the list: DarthPaul @cronebender More @jimcallisMLB If Zack Collins were unable to be a catcher, could he be still somewhere on the Top 10 first basemen list, theoretically? Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 3m3 minutes ago More Jim Callis Retweeted DarthPaul Sure. I'm not bullish on Collins staying at C, so #Top100Prospects rank is based mostly on offense. Would be No. 4 1B for me. @whitesox
January 30, 20179 yr QUOTE (Jose Paniagua @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 12:54 PM) Some clarification on Collins and what goes into him being where he's at on the list: DarthPaul @cronebender More @jimcallisMLB If Zack Collins were unable to be a catcher, could he be still somewhere on the Top 10 first basemen list, theoretically? Jim Callis @jimcallisMLB 3m3 minutes ago More Jim Callis Retweeted DarthPaul Sure. I'm not bullish on Collins staying at C, so #Top100Prospects rank is based mostly on offense. Would be No. 4 1B for me. @whitesox Sox will give Collins a full minor league season behind the plate at a minimum to see if he can stick at catcher Give him the chance to prove he can provide passable defense and the bat will carry him to the mlb
January 31, 20179 yr QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 08:10 AM) Yep. Just need a nice collection of bats now. Yeah, I was just thinking about that. When you project out a 2019 team you get a sweet rotation of.... Rodon Kopech Giolito Lopez Fulmer/Dunning/Hansen with Burdi as the closer. Pretty sweet set of arms. But when you project our lineup you get...what... C - Collins (hopefully) 1B - Zangari???? 2B - Moncada 3B - Michalzcewski???? SS - Anderson LF - Fisher??? CF - Tilson/Call??? RF - Basabe I mean, those are 4 question marks there for a top system. We really need to fill some of those via future drafts and Quintana/Frazier/Robertson/Jones trades. Edited January 31, 20179 yr by ChiliIrishHammock24
January 31, 20179 yr QUOTE (ChiliIrishHammock24 @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 07:19 PM) Yeah, I was just thinking about that. When you project out a 2019 team you get a sweet rotation of.... Rodon Kopech Giolito Lopez Fulmer/Dunning/Hansen with Burdi as the closer. Pretty sweet set of arms. But when you project our lineup you get...what... C - Collins (hopefully) 1B - Abreu 2B - Moncada 3B - Machado SS - Anderson LF - Fisher??? CF - Basabe RF - Beer I mean, those are 4 question marks there for a top system. We really need to fill some of those via future drafts and Quintana/Frazier/Robertson/Jones trades. Fixed...but I agree with you.
January 31, 20179 yr QUOTE (heirdog @ Jan 30, 2017 -> 06:31 PM) Fixed...but I agree with you. Abreu, perhaps, but Machado and Beer are not players you can currently pencil in, which is why I said we need to fill those gaps via draft, trade, and yes, Free Agency.
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