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2017-18 official NBA discussion thread

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Accidentally caught the last minute of that game...wow. Impressively bad. Valentine...just wow.

 

They really need to get a top 3 pick and hit on it because my goodness even though I support tanking, I just cannot handle this atrociousness for so long.

 

Kinda nervous about Doncic, though

QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 6, 2017 -> 08:23 PM)
Accidentally caught the last minute of that game...wow. Impressively bad. Valentine...just wow.

 

They really need to get a top 3 pick and hit on it because my goodness even though I support tanking, I just cannot handle this atrociousness for so long.

 

Kinda nervous about Doncic, though

 

Ending up with Doncic would be a disaster. I like him. But we need game/changing, franchise caliber s***.

I sorta forgot about the Bulls. They are a joke since Thibs left.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 01:23 PM)
If only the Bulls had someone, maybe something like a head coach, that could tell them what to do

 

Hoiberg should just resign. He sucks.

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 10:33 AM)
jon greenberg‏Verified account @jon_greenberg 44m44 minutes ago Kris Dunn said the Bulls don't know what to do, what plays to run, at end of games. That's a problem, right?

Part of this might be the whole fact that you don't have a "star" player who can help you in those moments. But I'd also say that is probably not something I'd want Dunn to be making publicly. That said, Dunn has really grown thus far this season (which is awesome to see).

Doncic or Michael Porter Jr?

QUOTE (KagakuOtoko @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 01:25 PM)
Hoiberg should just resign. He sucks.

 

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

We need to lose. We should lose every game. I dont want to see a single win from today until the end of the season

 

QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 02:43 PM)
Doncic or Michael Porter Jr?

 

Neither. For me its Bagley. There is just something about him. Ill need some more tape on Ayton before I start saying who my 2nd is.

Edited by Soxbadger

QUOTE (Soxbadger @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 02:48 PM)
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

 

We need to lose. We should lose every game. I dont want to see a single win from today until the end of the season

 

 

 

Neither. For me its Bagley. There is just something about him. Ill need some more tape on Ayton before I start saying who my 2nd is.

I think Bagley is the universal #1 right now. I think his question was if the Bulls had the second or third pick.

QUOTE (Da_Goob @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 03:01 PM)
I think Bagley is the universal #1 right now. I think his question was if the Bulls had the second or third pick.

 

Ah I didnt know that. The SI mock out this week has Bulls taking Ayton at #1, Doncic #2 and Bagley #3.

 

I posted about Bagley really early in this thread so I was just continuing to push my love for him.

 

Honestly I think Ayton is the wild card and you need more tape on him to confirm that he can translate into a superstar.

QUOTE (KyYlE23 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 01:23 PM)
If only the Bulls had someone, maybe something like a head coach, that could tell them what to do

 

I was just listening to Bill Simmons' podcast with Steve Kerr and Kerr mentioned that he used an out of bounds play of Hoiberg's that he saw at Iowa State. So, there's SOME ability there.

 

Hoiberg clearly isn't the long-term answer, but I do think he got a raw deal (to the extent someone getting paid millions and millions to coach a game can). He was brought in to play a run and gun style and was saddled with a roster full of b****y, whiny, old, slow guys. And this year he just doesn't have much talent to work with.

 

The franchise is a mess. IMO Hoiberg is about No. 10 on the list of problems that need to be addressed.

QUOTE (JenksIsMyHero @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 01:29 PM)
I was just listening to Bill Simmons' podcast with Steve Kerr and Kerr mentioned that he used an out of bounds play of Hoiberg's that he saw at Iowa State. So, there's SOME ability there.

 

Hoiberg clearly isn't the long-term answer, but I do think he got a raw deal (to the extent someone getting paid millions and millions to coach a game can). He was brought in to play a run and gun style and was saddled with a roster full of b****y, whiny, old, slow guys. And this year he just doesn't have much talent to work with.

 

The franchise is a mess. IMO Hoiberg is about No. 10 on the list of problems that need to be addressed.

Hoiberg's job is to get guys to play hard and hopefully develop. We have a talent issue that I'm not going to blame on the coach. That said, culturally, we need Hoiberg to instill a positive energy and to hopefully get them ready to develop into winning habits. What we don't want is losing habits to infiltrate our young players and the organization. Losing ways are like a plague that can overcome an organization quickly and be very very hard to get rid of. I tend to think of Hoiberg as being that up beat guy that is good for a rebuild and to be honest I've thought they are legitimatley playing hard. There were moments yesterday where the team was fun to watch and other moments where we weren't fun to watch (i.e., good ball movement, etc). Talent is bad though but I'm actually pretty optimistic all things considered.

QUOTE (Chisoxfn @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 06:02 PM)
Hoiberg's job is to get guys to play hard and hopefully develop. We have a talent issue that I'm not going to blame on the coach. That said, culturally, we need Hoiberg to instill a positive energy and to hopefully get them ready to develop into winning habits. What we don't want is losing habits to infiltrate our young players and the organization. Losing ways are like a plague that can overcome an organization quickly and be very very hard to get rid of. I tend to think of Hoiberg as being that up beat guy that is good for a rebuild and to be honest I've thought they are legitimatley playing hard. There were moments yesterday where the team was fun to watch and other moments where we weren't fun to watch (i.e., good ball movement, etc). Talent is bad though but I'm actually pretty optimistic all things considered.

Like say, teams that collapse at the end of games with no plan, or teams where one guy breaks another guy's face?

QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 7, 2017 -> 02:10 PM)
Like say, teams that collapse at the end of games with no plan, or teams where one guy breaks another guy's face?

The Bulls are a crappy team that is going to collapse a lot. They don't have closers. You look at the good teams in the league, with star players, and they tend to pull out way more close games then the alternative. This team is playing hard..despite having very little talent. Later in the season I might have a different view. And the Portis / Niko thing is not something I put on the coach (not at this point). I haven't seen some massive issue with Hoiberg from that side. I argued that earlier but its just easy to throw things out in absolute and blame everyone. It's most people tendency in sports (fans) and on this board. I don't think the reality works that way.

NOkafor.

 

But give me Sauce Castillo

QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 8, 2017 -> 10:22 AM)
Should the Bulls have made a run at Okafor at this price?

 

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/26311...klyn-nets-76ers

 

I think Booker being a 30 year old journeymen has less value than Portis or Niko. I'm happy to part with either of those guys for Okafor and a high 2nd rounder.

Kinda liking this unexpected Markannen vs porzingis battle

QUOTE (SleepyWhiteSox @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 07:24 PM)
Kinda liking this unexpected Markannen vs porzingis battle

 

Gonna be fun to watch for the next several years. And Kris Dunn has really been good the past few games now.

QUOTE (SoxAce @ Dec 9, 2017 -> 08:42 PM)
Gonna be fun to watch for the next several years. And Kris Dunn has really been good the past few games now.

 

Dunn, Lauri and LaVine could be a nice core, but we absolutely need to draft a superstar if we want to turn the ship around.

Niko and Portis a fine 1-2 punch tonight.

 

Bulls no Niko. 3-20

Bulls with Niko. 3-0

Edited by Dick Allen

QUOTE (Dick Allen @ Dec 11, 2017 -> 09:52 PM)
Niko and Portis a fine 1-2 punch tonight.

 

Bulls no Niko. 3-20

Bulls with Niko. 3-0

I see what you did there.

Celts just couldn’t put up a fight against the Bulls tonight.

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