Bob Sacamano Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (ChiSoxJon @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 01:48 PM) If Machado wants to be a full time SS should we pursue someone else? Arenado? Donaldson is already in decline Money talks. I think he follows the money (Boras client). If money is very similar if not even, then I would think he would go to whichever team plays him at SS/best chance of winning. Edited December 12, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Parkman Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) I don't think that anyone from the Sox is getting moved this week. Far too many less expensive options(asset wise) or more attractive options(Better players, more of a track record of success Obv. referring to Avi) than Abreu and Avi. Furthermore, there are enough options out there that it is probably an extreme buyer's market. I'll be shocked if both are not on the Sox roster when pitchers and catchers report. Edited December 12, 2017 by Jack Parkman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whisox05 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 01:53 PM) Money talks. I think he follows the money (Boras client). If money is very similar if not even, then I would think he would go to whichever team plays him at SS/best chance of winning. He's not a boras client Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) QUOTE (WhiteSoxLifer @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 02:41 PM) He's not a boras client Oh for some reason I thought he was. Nonetheless, he still seems likely the type of guy who would lean more towards most money. Edit: Just looked it up. His agency negotiated the Pujols and Votto contracts. Edited December 12, 2017 by soxfan2014 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 01:03 PM) I understand that, but the post I was replying to talked about Ellsbury being worth about 1/2 his deal. He might well perform like a 1.5 win player each of the next 3 years and that's a tolerable CF, but if that takes playing time away from someone who could develop into a big leaguer that hurts us in a different way. There's a cost associated with us giving him playing time when we could be developing a useful piece of our own. Then you bench him. Again the point is to buy a prospect you might not be able to get otherwise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 QUOTE (Balta1701 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 01:20 PM) We spent what, $25 million on Robert and gave up the ability to sign a top flight international player for 2 years and the "over the limit" signing penalty? For Ellsbury we'd be taking on $63 million, so way more money than Robert although no signing penalty? Basically it has to be someone who is comparable to Robert, if not better, since most of that $63 million is valueless to us. We're talking Frazier or Torres or someone at the very top of the Yankees system who can step in and be an all star by 2020. The rumor is that the Yankees have been willing to eat about half of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 QUOTE (southsider2k5 @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 04:07 PM) The rumor is that the Yankees have been willing to eat about half of that. If they ate half of his deal, I don't think it would be much of a salary dump. I think at $10m a year, they'd be looking for a solid piece, not add young pieces to get rid of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Scott MerkinVerified account @scottmerkin 9m9 minutes ago Hahn on trading prospects for a big leaguer with multiple years of control: "It's conceivable, yes. But it would have to be with the idea of extended control being part of it." More Hahn: "I think frankly we'll probably be in a little better position for deals like that a year from now. I think we'll have a much better understanding of which of this group is going to be taking a step forward." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
southsider2k5 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 James Fegan @JRFegan 43m43 minutes ago With the same old caveat that things could change a lot in 3 1/2 months, Hahn expects Carson Fulmer to be in the 2018 White Sox starting rotation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chitownsportsfan Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 (edited) Cubs just signed Smyly to a two year deal. He'll miss the season after electing to have Tommy John. Edited December 13, 2017 by chitownsportsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chicago White Sox Posted December 13, 2017 Author Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (chitownsportsfan @ Dec 12, 2017 -> 08:03 PM) Cubs just signed Smyly to a two year deal. He'll miss the season after electing to have Tommy John. Cubs have a monopoly on injury ridden pitchers, good for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Shaw signs with Rockies and Hunter signs with Phillies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jose Abreu Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 Bruce Levine @MLBBruceLevine Sox GM Rick Hahn expects his busier time to sign and trade after these meetings through the holidays . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 It would’ve been fun to have a couple trades to talk about, but it’s obvious the free agents have to sign before the trade market really opens up. Hope they get a couple quality arms tomorrow morning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 What time does the Rule 5 draft start? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavum Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (soxfan2014 @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 04:13 PM) What time does the Rule 5 draft start? 8am Central. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Sacamano Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 QUOTE (flavum @ Dec 13, 2017 -> 04:14 PM) 8am Central. Awesome. Right when I show up to work. Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fathom Posted December 13, 2017 Share Posted December 13, 2017 I feel with Swarzak gone that Oh will be the next Sox closer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wrathofhahn Posted December 14, 2017 Share Posted December 14, 2017 I still think the Redsox circle back to Abreu. They have extensions coming to Metts and Bogarts and already have Price and the midget extended into 2022. Kimbrel is a FA next year. Sale in 2020. I find it hard to believe they want to commit to someone like JD longterm or even worse someone like Hosmer who is not the answer and will be expensive. Also this year is kind of weird. The market for OF is much better then 1B/DH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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