17 minutes ago, soxfan49 said:

He's not a star right now.

Yes...Yoan Moncada is one of the young stars in the game right now.  Superstar?  No not yet...it's important to keep the terms straight though.  Moncada belongs in this group--solely based on what he has shown already:

Albies, Acuna, Benintendi, Moncada, Hoskins, Torres, Bellinger, Bregman...

Not a single guy hitting over .300 on that list--yet all young stars based on ability/performance. 

Edited June 13, 20187 yr by FT35

https://www.fangraphs.com/statss.aspx?playerid=10155&position=OF

Trout peaked in 2012-13 when he turned 21 and 22 at midseason those years.

Of course, he’s currently on pace at age 26/27 to obliterate those numbers.

 

11 minutes ago, FT35 said:

Yes...Yoan Moncada is one of the young stars in the game right now.  Superstar?  No not yet...it's important to keep the terms straight though.  Moncada belongs in this group--solely based on what he has shown already:

Albies, Acuna, Benintendi, Moncada, Hoskins, Torres, Bellinger, Bregman...

Not a single guy hitting over .300 on that list--yet all young stars based on ability/performance. 

Vlad the Impaler’s son, too.  Soto, we’ll see.  Seager.

Edited June 13, 20187 yr by caulfield12

https://www.barstoolsports.com/boston/yoan-moncadas-offseason-workouts-seem-to-be-going-well/

Look how bulked up Moncada was in the upper body/arms when he was with Boston...November 22nd, 2015 (20 years old)

30 minutes ago, caulfield12 said:

Vlad the Impaler’s son, too.  Soto, we’ll see.  Seager.

Absolutely.  Eloy will soon join that group.  These are the guys that are a cut above the rest no matter what the numbers suggest at the current moment.  If they suddenly lose their ability to play baseball, then we can talk about lowering the expectation.  That is simply not happening with Moncada or anyone else from that group.  This group (and some not mentioned here may join this group) has the best chance to become full-blown super stars.  Will they?  Who knows...but people have to start looking at these players for what they are and not that they are striking out a lot in some split matchups.  Benintendi is hitting .211 vs. lefties while in the midst of an MVP caliber stretch of baseball.  He had 1 HR and 9 RBI against lefties last year for the SEASON--PROSPECT BUST.  Albies is hitting .228 vs RHP with 43k's--TOTAL PROSPECT BUST.  No one is good.  

Edited June 13, 20187 yr by FT35

K rate is up 3% and his walk rate is down about the same from his 1/3 season last year.   Not exactly a great last month.     That said, there is some hope in the batted ball data.  His hard hit percentage is up and his popout rate is a miniscule 1.9%.

He just needs more reps.  Stay healthy kid.

33 minutes ago, chitownsportsfan said:

K rate is up 3% and his walk rate is down about the same from his 1/3 season last year.   Not exactly a great last month.     That said, there is some hope in the batted ball data.  His hard hit percentage is up and his popout rate is a miniscule 1.9%.

He just needs more reps.  Stay healthy kid.

This is true.  You're right reps would help, but so would some lineup help.  RIght now he's at the tail end of the Engel/Tilson, Narvaez, Trayce trio.  Yoan hitting in front of Sanchez really only benefits Yolmer (actually think Yolmer has the best possible position for success in our lineup).  You think Moncada would be producing better numbers in Benitendi's position in that Boston linup?  Uh yeah.  Might see a pitch or 2 with Betts and JD Martinez waiting.  Right now, he's very exposed and pitchers really don't need to show him anything.  Except for maybe 1-2 times per game that he's leading off an inning, he's up with 2 outs and nobody on.  So does that make him less talented?  Are Moncada's skills lacking or are they just not fully applicable yet?  Does that mean that Yoan Moncada is the one with issues?  He's far from perfect, but I think you will see eye-popping numbers put up when we start packing our lineup with MLB-caliber hitters.  

My dad always said the famous line while playing Eucher..."when you learn to play with the cards you're dealt, you'll get better ones."  Kind of think that's where Moncada is right now...Learning how to play with nothing around him.  If he can learn and continue to push through and develop, I think this will only benefit him down the road.  Great guys can have good years in bad lineups.  However, a great lineup can take someone good and make them great.    

Hard looking at all the other top prospects come up and destroy MLB pitching while our guy is struggling

31 minutes ago, reiks12 said:

Hard looking at all the other top prospects come up and destroy MLB pitching while our guy is struggling

Not all development is linear. Moncada only has 450 career plate appearances. It might take him 1500 to 2000 plate appearances before everything clicks. 

Yoan has the tools and is still learning how to use them. Some folks forget how raw he was and still is with limited professional experience. The best is still yet to come from Yoan.

20 minutes ago, BlackSox13 said:

Yoan has the tools and is still learning how to use them. Some folks forget how raw he was and still is with limited professional experience. The best is still yet to come from Yoan.

How many Sox prospects have we seen come up and absolutely crater, produce negative WAR in their first couple seasons?  A lot.  It's a testament to Yoan's talent that even though he's absolutely scuffling he's still 2nd on the team in fWAR for position players.  

That said, he needs a day off and some work in the cage.  

1 hour ago, tlongo81@gmail.com said:

Not all development is linear. Moncada only has 450 career plate appearances. It might take him 1500 to 2000 plate appearances before everything clicks. 

He won't get that much time.. That's 3-4 years

1 hour ago, reiks12 said:

Hard looking at all the other top prospects come up and destroy MLB pitching while our guy is struggling

Sure.  Then there are those who light the world on fire early, and then MLB adjusts. A great example of that is taking a look at Ozzie Albies splits.  He is OPSing on an Adam Engel level for the last month.

2 minutes ago, cjgalloway said:

He won't get that much time.. That's 3-4 years

Yeah, if there is anything I know about the White Sox, it is that they will give guys time.  Look no further than an Avi Garcia or Dayan Viciedo.

1 hour ago, cjgalloway said:

He won't get that much time.. That's 3-4 years

If the Sox are bailing on Yoan in that timeframe something seriously went wrong.  

1 hour ago, Sleepy Harold said:

If the Sox are bailing on Yoan in that timeframe something seriously went wrong.  

They don't have to do anything until he is due a new contract.  At some point if his woes from the right continue, they have to address the switch hitting since that is a major issue.  Otherwise they wait and see if eventually he figures it out since he is not a liability( for a rebuilding team) as a left-handed batter or a  defender. 

4 hours ago, reiks12 said:

Hard looking at all the other top prospects come up and destroy MLB pitching while our guy is struggling

Check out Benintendi's stats. Dude is raking. Too bad we didn't get him in the trade instead of Moncada.

Edited June 14, 20187 yr by Unknown

1 minute ago, Unknown said:

Check out Benintendi's stats. Dude is raking. Too bad we didn't get him in the trade instead of Moncada.

He was untouchable

The only realistic choice was Devers over Moncada...by that point in time.  But not both.

7 minutes ago, Unknown said:

Check out Benintendi's stats. Dude is raking. Too bad we didn't get him in the trade instead of Moncada.

I'd still rather have Moncada long-term 

43 minutes ago, fathom said:

He was untouchable

How do you know that Benintendi was untouchable? Chris Sale was on the table...

From today's Law chat.

Sloan

1:44

Madrigal or Moncada as White Sox 2B for the next 5-7 years?

 

Keith Law

1:44

Madrigal is the safer bet. Curious what Moncada would look like in the OF, and I didn't think he was bad at 3b in the AFL.

2 hours ago, Y2Jimmy0 said:

I'd still rather have Moncada long-term 

As would I. A second baseman with Moncada's tools has way more potential than an average to poor fielding LF with a good bat 

Edited June 14, 20187 yr by Jose Abreu

2 hours ago, caulfield12 said:

The only realistic choice was Devers over Moncada...by that point in time.  But not both.

Devers was reported to be untouchable as well, from what I remember 

35 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

Devers was reported to be untouchable as well, from what I remember 

Well, that was in the sense they would STILL need a 3B if they traded Moncada, who was the top prospect in baseball at the time, with Devers quickly rising behind him.

They couldn't trade both, and weren't going to trade Benintendi, either.

The irony is that Shaw has become probably the better player for the Brewers at 3B, but they never looked at him as the long-term solution in BOS.