January 31, 20197 yr 1 minute ago, southsider2k5 said: This is exactly what I was afraid of by that stupid 7/175 report floating around. It got someone's interest. I think you're missing the biggest point of the screenshot. Manny wont even meet with SD without an offer on the table.
January 31, 20197 yr 1 minute ago, raBBit said: They're involved but quiet. In a word, provisional. Not much the teams can do. They're waiting the agents out. They agents are running out of time. But still more involved with manny? Or is that just what the media is pushing?
January 31, 20197 yr 1 minute ago, Kiebs13 said: I think you're missing the biggest point of the screenshot. Manny wont even meet with SD without an offer on the table. The biggest point is that the market has stayed tepid because there were only two teams for two superstars involved. If you start getting another team involved, that balance is thrown off.
January 31, 20197 yr 42 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The biggest point is that the market has stayed tepid because there were only two teams for two superstars involved. If you start getting another team involved, that balance is thrown off. I’m not at all scared by San Diego. If they were a true threat, they would have been it in from the beginning. They might drive the price up, but I’m not worried about them outbidding the Sox. And I also believe Manny wants to play with the Sox more than he wants to play with the Padres.
January 31, 20197 yr 46 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The biggest point is that the market has stayed tepid because there were only two teams for two superstars involved. If you start getting another team involved, that balance is thrown off. SD was out originally because Machado was too expensive. If they beat our bid, Lozano calls us right away and we beat it back, and then the Padres bow out. This is what Alonso, Jay, and a great pitch bought us - rights to the last bid. Unless NY comes sweeping in, I think the Sox are Machado's preferred destination. We have no incentive to bid against ourselves because we will always be given a chance to make a higher offer.
January 31, 20197 yr 1 minute ago, gusguyman said: SD was out originally because Machado was too expensive. If they beat our bid, Lozano calls us right away and we beat it back, and then the Padres bow out. This is what Alonso, Jay, and a great pitch bought us - rights to the last bid. Unless NY comes sweeping in, I think the Sox are Machado's preferred destination. We have no incentive to bid against ourselves because we will always be given a chance to make a higher offer. But seeing as we haven't signed him, I don't think you can say we know what the teams pain point is.
January 31, 20197 yr 48 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The biggest point is that the market has stayed tepid because there were only two teams for two superstars involved. If you start getting another team involved, that balance is thrown off. But if another team is only involved at a lower price than the player wants to accept, nothing has really changed. If the White Sox were TRULY never gonna go higher than 7/175, they were never gonna win in the first place. I remain convinced they’re just waiting for someone to force them to bid higher, which was always gonna happen. You don’t win the free agent unless you bid higher than every other team. We’re just waiting to see what that number looks like.
January 31, 20197 yr 3 minutes ago, gusguyman said: SD was out originally because Machado was too expensive. If they beat our bid, Lozano calls us right away and we beat it back, and then the Padres bow out. This is what Alonso, Jay, and a great pitch bought us - rights to the last bid. Unless NY comes sweeping in, I think the Sox are Machado's preferred destination. We have no incentive to bid against ourselves because we will always be given a chance to make a higher offer. Couldn’t agree more. Sitting back and waiting is our best move right now, but that’s what makes it so frustrating.
January 31, 20197 yr 2 minutes ago, Eminor3rd said: But if another team is only involved at a lower price than the player wants to accept, nothing has really changed. If the White Sox were TRULY never gonna go higher than 7/175, they were never gonna win in the first place. I remain convinced they’re just waiting for someone to force them to bid higher, which was always gonna happen. You don’t win the free agent unless you bid higher than every other team. We’re just waiting to see what that number looks like. And I completely agree with this, as well. Sox are in great shape right now.
January 31, 20197 yr 5 minutes ago, gusguyman said: SD was out originally because Machado was too expensive. If they beat our bid, Lozano calls us right away and we beat it back, and then the Padres bow out. This is what Alonso, Jay, and a great pitch bought us - rights to the last bid. Unless NY comes sweeping in, I think the Sox are Machado's preferred destination. We have no incentive to bid against ourselves because we will always be given a chance to make a higher offer. But we still don't know what the number will be. If the Padres thought he would be a $350 million contract at the beginning of the off season, but could have only gone to $300 internally, so they didn't bother early on, they could still offer that $300 million and hit the Sox pain threshold.
January 31, 20197 yr 8 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: But we still don't know what the number will be. If the Padres thought he would be a $350 million contract at the beginning of the off season, but could have only gone to $300 internally, so they didn't bother early on, they could still offer that $300 million and hit the Sox pain threshold. This is possible, but pretty unlikely. It would mean the Sox had a cap of $300 and thought that was good enough to be in it from the beginning, while the Padres also had a cap of $300 and they decided to sit out until late January. The much more likely scenario is that Manny wants to play for the Sox and his agent is doing everything in his power to increase the price.
January 31, 20197 yr Guys, let’s close this thread now. This Padres fan responded to my tweet. He actually dm me and told me he has a real source ?. Machado has been in SD since Tuesday trying to squeeze 15 million out of the Padres lol
January 31, 20197 yr 8 minutes ago, Orlando said: Guys, let’s close this thread now. This Padres fan responded to my tweet. He actually dm me and told me he has a real source ?. Machado has been in SD since Tuesday trying to squeeze 15 million out of the Padres lol Unless he means $15 million per year, he is full of it.
January 31, 20197 yr I have never been more annoyed with people stating they have a source in my entire life.
January 31, 20197 yr 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: This is exactly what I was afraid of by that stupid 7/175 report floating around. It got someone's interest. 22 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: But we still don't know what the number will be. If the Padres thought he would be a $350 million contract at the beginning of the off season, but could have only gone to $300 internally, so they didn't bother early on, they could still offer that $300 million and hit the Sox pain threshold. These are two different points. If the Sox cap was 250, and the Padres was 300, then we were always screwed. Even if we bid 250 to start, the Padres would have come in. If the Padres cap is 225, yes they might come in above 175... but then we move to 250.
January 31, 20197 yr 12 minutes ago, Orlando said: ?? His source told him something everybody assumes. Nailed it.
January 31, 20197 yr 1 minute ago, gusguyman said: These are two different points. If the Sox cap was 250, and the Padres was 300, then we were always screwed. Even if we bid 250 to start, the Padres would have come in. If the Padres cap is 225, yes they might come in above 175... but then we move to 250. The Padres came in because the public reporting on offers was low. If those offers don't get leaked and fought about, there is s decent chance they wouldn't have known enough to even call about them.
January 31, 20197 yr 1 hour ago, southsider2k5 said: The biggest point is that the market has stayed tepid because there were only two teams for two superstars involved. If you start getting another team involved, that balance is thrown off. Because then it becomes a game of musical chairs. When the music stops.....someone's left without a whale.
January 31, 20197 yr 48 minutes ago, SoxBlanco said: And I completely agree with this, as well. Sox are in great shape right now. They are in great shape. We're 2 weeks out from spring training and heavily involved in conversations with both superstars and their agents!
January 31, 20197 yr 40 minutes ago, Orlando said: ?? Well that's partially true: if we don't outbid the Padres we won't get him. On the other hand, I doubt that outbidding the Padres assures that he signs with us.
January 31, 20197 yr I really dont think we need to even discuss Hektors message and tweet. The dude is a nobody disputing the Athletic's report.
January 31, 20197 yr 2 hours ago, southsider2k5 said: This is exactly what I was afraid of by that stupid 7/175 report floating around. It got someone's interest. 38 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said: The Padres came in because the public reporting on offers was low. If those offers don't get leaked and fought about, there is s decent chance they wouldn't have known enough to even call about them. My bad, I misinterpreted the first quote as you being mad about the offer itself, not the potentially false reports about it. I see your point now. The reports certainly make it less likely that we steal Machado for cheap.
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