3 minutes ago, fathom said:

Which means they likely have to give up more to get Joc without taking on a salary dump.  As for starter, I'm still expecting Gio.

If we’re really “going for it” what about trading for Greinke?  At $30M+ per, he’d likely be a salary dump.

3 minutes ago, Chicago White Sox said:

If we’re really “going for it” what about trading for Greinke?  At $30M+ per, he’d likely be a salary dump.

Hell, trade for Ben Zobrist. Report came out they are looking to trade him so they can have room for a middle reliever. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/cubs-have-considered-trading-ben-zobrist.html

2 minutes ago, GenericUserName said:

Hell, trade for Ben Zobrist. Report came out they are looking to trade him so they can have room for a middle reliever. 

https://www.mlbtraderumors.com/2019/01/cubs-have-considered-trading-ben-zobrist.html

Are we just releasing Moncada?

3 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Are we just releasing Moncada?

Zobrist made 62 starts in the outfield and just 42 at 2nd last year.

1 minute ago, soxfan18 said:

Zobrist made 62 starts in the outfield and just 42 at 2nd last year.

So he'd be the other corner OF? 

4 minutes ago, Balta1701 said:

Are we just releasing Moncada?

Nah. Moncada might still be useful as a back up IF and late inning pinch runner. 

Just now, BlackSox13 said:

Nah. Moncada might still be useful as a back up IF and late inning pinch runner. 

Platoon catcher with Timmy

lol ok

2 minutes ago, fathom said:

Platoon catcher with Timmy

Perfect! So does Machado play SS then?

Let’s say we sign Machado, trade for Joc, and add one more starter:

Do we still wait two weeks to promote Eloy? It might be short sighted as far as his control goes, but we could potentially contend in this weak division, and two weeks of less production from LF might be a difference maker. Not sure how I feel honestly, but is this even a possibility (that Eloy breaks camp with us)?

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Just now, The Sir said:

Let’s say we sign Machado, trade for Joc, and add one more starter:

Do we still wait two weeks to promote Eloy? It might be short sighted as far as his control goes, but we could potentially contend in this weak division, and two weeks of less production from LF might be a difference maker. Not sure how I feel honestly, but is this even a possibility?

Not a possibility at all. 

Just now, The Sir said:

Let’s say we sign Machado, trade for Joc, and add one more starter:

Do we still wait two weeks to promote Eloy? It might be short sighted as far as his control goes, but we could potentially contend in this weak division, and two weeks of less production from LF might be a difference maker. Not sure how I feel honestly, but is this even a possibility?

No chance we start the season with Eloy and lose a full season over the first two weeks of 2019 when the weather is going to be crappy anyways 

30 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said:

If it's just a trade for pederson I'm expecting we will have to give up something more, in that case, I have no logical reason why the W'sox want to do the trade unless their just giving up bummer/fulmer or something.

I think this is the case and that’s why I don’t think anyone should have a problem with this trade if/when it happens. 

Just now, SoxBlanco said:

Not a possibility at all. 

Fair enough. I also realize it’s putting a ton of expectations on Eloy. I do feel more optimistic about him immediately producing than any other prospect.

1 minute ago, The Sir said:

Let’s say we sign Machado, trade for Joc, and add one more starter:

Do we still wait two weeks to promote Eloy? It might be short sighted as far as his control goes, but we could potentially contend in this weak division, and two weeks of less production from LF might be a difference maker. Not sure how I feel honestly, but is this even a possibility (that Eloy breaks camp with us)?

That team still isn't competitive without big steps forwards by multiple youngsters who struggled last year...but anyway...

The Cubs, with a much better roster, still held Bryant down in 2015. No one regrets it.

 

28 minutes ago, iWiN4PreP said:

I'm disapointed that Hill isn't part of the trade. If this was a salary dump + we got pederson it makes a good deal of sense.

If it's just a trade for pederson I'm expecting we will have to give up something more, in that case, I have no logical reason why the W'sox want to do the trade unless their just giving up bummer/fulmer or something.

Also, why would the Dodgers want to do this? It doesn't really help them financially - and for what a couple of controllable relievers?

2 minutes ago, The Sir said:

Let’s say we sign Machado, trade for Joc, and add one more starter:

Do we still wait two weeks to promote Eloy? It might be short sighted as far as his control goes, but we could potentially contend in this weak division, and two weeks of less production from LF might be a difference maker. Not sure how I feel honestly, but is this even a possibility (that Eloy breaks camp with us)?

Another completely non-baseball reason it won't happen: if we wait to bring him up then there will be a random game in April with increased attendance (potentially a sell out?) that would otherwise be pretty empty while the home opener will likely have a high attendance no matter what. 

Just now, Jose Abreu said:

I think this is the case and that’s why I don’t think anyone should have a problem with this trade if/when it happens. 

Agreed. Pederson has flaws and is soon an FA, but that’d basically be getting him for free. Go for it. How’s his defense?

Also, I haven’t read this whole thread. Is this close? Some people are talking like it’s already happened...

1 minute ago, smellysox said:

Also, why would the Dodgers want to do this? It doesn't really help them financially - and for what a couple of controllable relievers?

And why wouldn’t Braves be all over it if price was so low?  If Sox get him, it will be for a much bigger price than most think on here IMO.  

2 minutes ago, The Sir said:

Agreed. Pederson has flaws and is soon an FA, but that’d basically be getting him for free. Go for it. How’s his defense?

Also, I haven’t read this whole thread. Is this close? Some people are talking like it’s already happened...

The kid who reported this originally thinks it gets done soon and said there’s a sense of urgency today that wasn’t there last night 

1 minute ago, fathom said:

And why wouldn’t Braves be all over it if price was so low?  If Sox get him, it will be for a much bigger price than most think on here IMO.  

Ken Rosenthal mentioned there were other teams in the mix, didn't he?

5 minutes ago, smellysox said:

Also, why would the Dodgers want to do this? It doesn't really help them financially - and for what a couple of controllable relievers?

I have no knowledge of the financials for the Dodgers, but I'd imagine that they'd bundle up a pricey Rich Hill with Pederson for a salary dump to make room for Pollock (consider the pollock rumors yesterday).

2 minutes ago, Jose Abreu said:

The kid who reported this originally thinks it gets done soon and said there’s a sense of urgency today that wasn’t there last night 

Probably because it wasnt widespread news that Joc was available and now it is, so the Sox are in a hurry to get it done. Also, Pollock is probably waiting on LA.

10 minutes ago, smellysox said:

Also, why would the Dodgers want to do this? It doesn't really help them financially - and for what a couple of controllable relievers?

make room for pollock/provide outfield clarity. Joc is the odd man out there

1 minute ago, whitesoxwinner said:

make room for pollock/provide outfield clarity. Joc is the odd man out there

They are ridiculously left handed with their options (Bellinger, Toles, Verdugo, Joc), makes sense.

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