February 25, 20197 yr 3 minutes ago, TaylorStSox said: There you go believing the Twittersphere again. Hence why I said rumored. I have no idea whether or not there is any validity to it. Like Tony said, his agent is Boras so he's going to the open market. Same reason why the Sox should trade Rodon if he gets good this season. Edited February 25, 20197 yr by Jack Parkman
February 25, 20197 yr Service time will likely be a major sticking point in the next CBA. Young players and their agents are realizing teams are not going to give out those sweet contracts to guys in their 30's anymore so they need to find a way to get paid earlier.
February 25, 20197 yr Just now, Tony said: And no one ever should. If a team is willing to pay said amount, that is the literal definition of earning their contract. Damn straight. Preach Tony.
February 25, 20197 yr Just now, Tony said: I totally agree with this as well. The players have an awful deal right now, and players like Eloy are being taken advantage of. And the Sox would be stupid not to take that advantage right now. Thirded. I don't think the owners have to give up the 6 years of control, but they do have to give up money in bonuses and other things. Even if you go down to 4 it just becomes economically untenable for the small market teams, unless they just decide to spend money suddenly. Edited February 25, 20197 yr by Jack Parkman
February 25, 20197 yr 4 minutes ago, Jerksticks said: I agree. Treat your people well. Then make a big announcement saying something like, “We could never leave a qualified player down in the minors just to grab a year of control- we wouldn’t be able to get a good night’s sleep or live with ourselves if we weren’t honest people. Ask yourself, how would you like it if somebody stole a year of your life selfishly like that.” And then low-ball him when it comes time for an extension.
February 25, 20197 yr We should compound the Machado mistake by giving away a year of Eloy.... Uh, no. Hold him down until May 1, so it looks good, and then call him up like every other organization in MLB would do.
February 25, 20197 yr 14 minutes ago, KiwiSox said: At what point do the Sox just give up on this mentality of "aw shucks we cant win anyways" and go for it? When they have a team that supports doing such. We all hoped for 2020, but more likely 2021 now.
February 25, 20197 yr 25 minutes ago, ChiSox59 said: Every single team in major league baseball would do the same thing that the White Sox and the Blue Jays are going to do. Every. Single. One. Eloy may not like it, but I doubt he's going to hang it over the Sox heads 7 years down the line. If he is as good as people hope he is, he isn't resigning with the Sox anyhow. The Sox also reportedly offered Eloy a contract extension late last summer and would have brought him up then. He, understandably, rejected that. So, it was partially his call. There is a laundry list of teams that have done it. Cubs-Bryant Jays- Vlad Jr. Braves-Acuna Nats-Harper Twins-Buxton Astros-Springer The White Sox would be stupid to give away that year.
February 25, 20197 yr 10 minutes ago, Tony said: And no one ever should. If a team is willing to pay said amount, that is the literal definition of earning their contract. I want each party(team, player) to act in their best interest and I don't begrudge either party for doing so. Like I said about the Machado shit, I'm not even mad about the Sox not landing him, I'm mad about them lying to the fanbase about their level of interest, which apparently wasn't very high at all.
February 25, 20197 yr 30 minutes ago, 103 mph screwball said: It goes beyond Eloy. All players will take notice. Hey great, that means they notice that all teams do it, and there would be no where left for them to sign if they avoided all of the teams that do it.
February 25, 20197 yr 55 minutes ago, 103 mph screwball said: If Eloy earns the starting job this spring, honor the player and have him start opening day in Chicago. I know about the service time. Do you want to attract free agents? Treat your people well. Pay them what they are worth. Give them what they earn even if you have the upper hand. If Eloy earns it, respect him and maybe he respects you when he becomes a free agent. I would be infuriated if the Sox did not secure the additional season of control at this point. It would be inexcusable from the club's perspective.
February 25, 20197 yr 28 minutes ago, Tony said: You realize Kris Bryant didn't just have Scott Boras assigned to him or something, right? When you chose Scott Boras to rep you as your agent, you are only interested in one thing. And rightfully so. This right here. He was never taking a discount. Never taking a team friendly extension. He is 100% hitting free agency. You definitely have to keep him under control as long as possible (so the 6+ years).
February 25, 20197 yr 1 minute ago, SoxAce said: They would've brought him up last season if they wanted to do this. Also this. It would make zero sense to have wasted the two months they could have had him up last year if they were going to call him up April 1 this year.
February 25, 20197 yr I thought they should have brought him last year in August so that he could have actually gotten better at hitting MLB pitching. In that sense, the Sox would also have gotten something out of burning that extra year of control. But at this point, even though it has been wrong (morally wrong) to hold him down, you just have to follow through and call him up after two weeks.
February 25, 20197 yr Suggest we take the seven years of service time, give him a gold watch and wish him well. As we have already seen, half of these guys break down and cannot play much anyway.
February 25, 20197 yr 1 hour ago, 103 mph screwball said: Then plan on him leaving. Don't get too attached. We don't spend the big bucks anyway, so if he commands a 300 to 400 million dollar deal, he is gone anyway.
February 25, 20197 yr He earned it last summer and didn’t get a call-up. If you are willing to endure months of resentment from the player and criticism from outsiders, you can last another couple weeks. Or you are just dumb... But all is well because Eloy was placated by Hahn’s visit and signing his brother Enoy, who probably doesn’t belong on any MiLB field. We know how well the friends and family plan works...
February 25, 20197 yr So you're willing to trade a year of Eloy at the other end for two months of him now? No, thank you.
February 25, 20197 yr 4 minutes ago, RickinIndiana said: So you're willing to trade a year of Eloy at the other end for two months of him now? No, thank you. It is actually 3 weeks.
February 25, 20197 yr Just now, Timmy U said: It is actually 3 weeks. Yeah definitely not trading a year for 3 weeks, ha.
February 25, 20197 yr You pull him up whenever it's most advantageous for the team. Call him up whenever he gets the most years under team control. Every smart team would do that.
February 25, 20197 yr 2 minutes ago, Timmy U said: It is actually 3 weeks. That's so much worse. Beyond ridiculous.
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