5 minutes ago, YouGottaBeBleepingMe said:

Fair assessment. I do not post frequently, but I think that the one thing that people like you miss is that sports are about production. You can have all of the upside in the world. None of it matters once you step on the field. You need to produce. Simple as that. What good if 80 grade speed if you cannot hit the ball or catch the ball? What good is being able to swing lefty if you do not have a great eye and can't hit a curveball? What good is being a switch hitter if you lack plate discipline and swing at 50% of all balls thrown out of the strike zone?

When I read analysts and mock draftors, I always LOL at how they slot guys and why. If you could go back in time, would you draft Frank Thomas 1-1 in 1989? Of course you would. He is a first ballot HOFer and among probably the top 20 hitters who ever played the game. Granted, not everyone is at his level, but the point remains. You draft players who produce. Having upside (see Courtney Hawkins or Keon Barnum) means nothing if you cannot harness it and produce. Why do you want to pass on Andrew Vaughn and his production just because he bats right and plays 1B? This is a guy you want hitting in the heart of your lineup. He has proven production in one of the Top 2 conference in America. If you would rather have some "toolsy" kid who hit over .400 in HS playing SS, to me that is much riskier. Plenty of great HS players never lived up to their hype in college (let alone MLB). Same with NBA players.

Give me a guy with a proven track record of production. Position be damned.

I am the complete opposite. I think that production is a fool's proposition until you get to the highest level. 

Ask NFL teams how taking producers worked for them. There is a reason why Danny Wuerffel and Jason Smith were late round QBs. Those guys won Heisman trophies at QB. They did jack shit in the NFL. 

Edited June 4, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

 

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1 minute ago, Moan4Yoan said:

Won’t happen but pray hard just in case.

I'm not even religious, so pray was a poor choice of words lol. I agree with you, I'd be shocked if he made it past the Comp round. 

21 minutes ago, Jack Parkman said:

@Look at Ray Ray Run

I wasn't saying that Vaughn had no upside, as much as I was lamenting how much of it was mitigated by his position on the diamond. Listen, I completely understand why they made this pick. They had to have thought that Vaughn's bat was light years ahead of Bleday, which is fine. They have to be proven right. He absolutely has to rake. ( I hate the term "mash" and much prefer "rake") As long as he hits piss rockets and makes pitchers look silly, it is fine. I agree that for position players, hitting comes first and defense second, however I don't like taking players whose entire value revolves around the two most volatile tools in the amateur-pro transition in the top 5. Personal philosophy. There is a really good chance that his power and hit tool won't translate like they think it does. If it translates, and he's actually a 70 hit/80 power guy then it is a wonderful pick. I happen to think that hit and power are the hardest tools to accurately scout amateur position players on and a lot of times you end up wrong. I'd rather pick a 55 hit/60 power guy with plus defense and arm(Bleday) than a guy who has his entire value in hit/power. My argument isn't that Vaughn doesn't have bigger upside, but it is more that they absolutely have to nail this pick and I'd rather have someone with a larger margin for error. I think Vaughn's is razor thin. This is going to be their last top 5 pick for a while and it might be their last top 10 pick for a while, so success is key. 

This is the upside pick here, but it reeks of Jared Mitchell upside and not Mike Trout upside. 

Is there anyone with Trout upside Sox passed on?

Rich hill comp LOL and then Callis had to say “that’s interesting Harold but he go games without throwing his curve”

Just now, bmags said:

Rich hill comp LOL and then Callis had to say “that’s interesting Harold but he go games without throwing his curve”

Beautiful.

 

Just now, thxfrthmmrs said:

Is there anyone with Trout upside Sox passed on?

Dude, I'm talking about Mike Trout the HS player not Mike Trout the best player on the planet. 

Just now, thxfrthmmrs said:

Is there anyone with Trout upside Sox passed on?

Comparing Andrew Vaughn to jered Mitchell is like comparing peyton manning to jamarcus russell.

Braden Shewmake is thin as a rail...I call a Marc Bellinger comp from Reynolds 

Seems like there has been some reaching for college pitchers lately.

1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

Dude, I'm talking about Mike Trout the HS player not Mike Trout the best player on the planet. 

Ftr Jack, Mike trout was by far the best high school player alive. It wasnt close but scouts thought far too much about his competition instead of his incredible production. 

I am gonna say that Gunnar Henderson is a Dbacks kick for their pick jubilee

1 minute ago, Jack Parkman said:

Dude, I'm talking about Mike Trout the HS player not Mike Trout the best player on the planet. 

Except Vaughn to Bedlay comparison is very different than Mitchell to Trout.

1 minute ago, Look at Ray Ray Run said:

Ftr Jack, Mike trout was by far the best high school player alive. It wasnt close but scouts thought far too much about his competition instead of his incredible production. 

BTW this entire board wanted the Sox to pick Trout in 2009. 

@bmags I know I'm late to responding, but I'm dealing with the Cubs draft quite well.

3 minutes ago, wegner said:

Braden Shewmake is thin as a rail...I call a Marc Bellinger comp from Reynolds 

Surprised there wasn't a Brady Shoemaker comp.  

 

Aw. I like Volpe.

2 minutes ago, thxfrthmmrs said:

Except Vaughn to Bedlay comparison is very different than Mitchell to Trout.

It is, but Jared Mitchell won CWS most outstanding player in 2009 and won a NC with LSU. He had college accolades too. 

Jared Mitchell probably would have been a really good player if injuries didn't derail his pro career before it got started. 

Probably a poor comparison, but that is one that sticks with Sox fans a lot, especially on this board. 

Edited June 4, 20196 yr by Jack Parkman

Based off that best available list, I had to look up Canterino. That dude has some funk to his delivery. BA likes him a lot, Fangraphs does not.

The draft would be more enjoyable to watch if they went twice as fast...maybe faster.

Also it’s super ironic Jack Parkman is preaching tools over production here yet he trashes Madrigal on the daily because he’s only hitting .270 with little power. I guess you gotta have your cake and eat it too huh.

Fuck nick swisher