15 minutes ago, Orlando said:

Saw Al’s beef retweet this. Did anyone catch Jesse saying that?


And yes , I know we are tired of the beef. This is more in reference to the tweet he’s responding to.

Well JR's pursuit of 2nd place is ready to go.  I cant wait for more dumpster diving hoping for lightning in a bottle.  So much for putting the pedal to the floor to go for it during the competitive years.  

Edited December 2, 20205 yr by southsideirish71

11 minutes ago, fathom said:

12 minutes ago, Orlando said:

 

 

This is shocking...not. Two weeks ago the majority on this board swallowed every rumor this guy (and his aliases) posted as though he actually had inside intel. 

5 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

People are saying that they are one of the teams that are going to spend so I don’t buy this. I think they will spend but just not splurge on one guy.

If the league wide losses are true, spending could be defined as cutting less or increasing slightly.

So much for signing Tony being a sign that we were going to spend.

Just now, BamaDoc said:

If the league wide losses are true, spending could be defined as cutting less or increasing slightly.

But in the end, Springer and Bauer will get paid.  Someone will sign them.  It just wont be us.  Just like someone signed Machado and Harper.  

Just now, southsider2k5 said:

So much for signing Tony being a sign that we were going to spend.

Rogers saying that is more legit than any rumor up to this point. 

FU Jerry....

Just now, southsider2k5 said:

So much for signing Tony being a sign that we were going to spend.

This makes the hire even worse if thats possible.  I could stomach it if they pushed all of the chips in and spent like they have promised.  

4 minutes ago, Orlando said:

 

Its cute that he's calling Vinnie Duber and Jesse Rogers his colleagues.??

2 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So much for signing Tony being a sign that we were going to spend.

He is going to add to the payroll, just not going after the top guys. I don’t get how some don’t understand this in a year where some teams have to unload payroll.

Just now, fathom said:

He is going to add to the payroll, just not going after the top guys. I don’t get how some don’t understand this in a year where some teams have to unload payroll.

Because why wouldn't they.  Adding a ton of 3rd tier guys and trading top prospects should go smashingly well.

Merkin, Bruce Levine and multiple national guys have said the Sox will spend. I am not saying I don’t believe Rogers, I do. This was about free agency so maybe the Sox are no longer going for Springer/ Bauer. Maybe Springer does want to stay East and Bauer is way out of their price range (even bad pitchers are getting PAID) Those two and Ozuna are the only three “top tier” free agents. Ozuna was never rumored to be a possibility. The food accounts have banged the drum on trading for a SP. This is not going to make the sky fall for me. There is a path to a very good offseason outside of Springer/Bauer/Ozuna.

Just now, fathom said:

He is going to add to the payroll, just not going after the top guys. I don’t get how some don’t understand this in a year where some teams have to unload payroll.

To compete for a championship they need to add high end guys to put them over the top.  Just getting bodies in here that are better than Mazara is not good enough.  Just getting rando pitchers to take a spot in the rotation is not good enough.  

Why is anyone surprised things/we are moving slowly?  Sox have always had a budget.  They likely lost money.  The revenue forecast for this coming year is all over the place depending on factors no one can provide answers for (how many games, fans or not, etc).  The non tenders will give a glimpse of where other teams are monetarily.  If there are a ton of cuts, I would expect us to be cautious and get a couple lower cost pieces.  Maybe one or two decent additions but reserve most activity for the trade deadline where the financial picture should be much clearer.

I’m not going to freak out over this until I see what they do this offseason. It amazes me how many people are freaking out over this. 

6 minutes ago, Orlando said:

Merkin, Bruce Levine and multiple national guys have said the Sox will spend. I am not saying I don’t believe Rogers, I do. This was about free agency so maybe the Sox are no longer going for Springer/ Bauer. Maybe Springer does want to stay East and Bauer is way out of their price range (even bad pitchers are getting PAID) Those two and Ozuna are the only three “top tier” free agents. Ozuna was never rumored to be a possibility. The food accounts have banged the drum on trading for a SP. This is not going to make the sky fall for me. There is a path to a very good offseason outside of Springer/Bauer/Ozuna.

I never expected them to do more than sign a pair of pitchers from the group of Quintana/Richards/Odorizzi/Walker/Archer and sign Joc Pederson and maybe Michael Brantley for DH or a closer.  If they did all of that, they'd still be adding $40M to the existing payroll, and $20M to last year's. 

This is still disappointing, but I'm not surprised at all.

 

Edited December 2, 20205 yr by Jack Parkman

Just now, Jack Parkman said:

 I never expected them to do more than sign a pair of pitchers from the group of Quintana/Richards/Odorizzi/Walker/Archer and sign Joc Pederson and maybe Michael Brantley. 

 This is still disappointing, but I'm not surprised at all. 

 

 

I dont want my 3rd starter in the playoffs being those guys.  This is the crux of the issue.  We have to play matchup games.  We need high end pitching to get past the different rounds of the playoffs.  We cant count on Cease/Reylo/Kopech yet.  So right now we are a starter short to compete against the elite of the AL.  

 

22 hours ago, southsider2k5 said:

That's a long way of saying no one else was interested in the guy, even the Tampa Rays.

 

How'd you determine that when he hasn't been posted yet?

People really need to listen to Harold and Stoney more 

10 minutes ago, fathom said:

He is going to add to the payroll, just not going after the top guys. I don’t get how some don’t understand this in a year where some teams have to unload payroll.

Typical Jerry spending bullshit. He hasn't gone over the top since he signed Albert Belle in 1996, and that was more of an FU to the other owners for not squeezing the MLBPA more in 1994-95. 

Oh can I guess, James is going to post something again about not reading too much into public reports. Lol

Edited December 2, 20205 yr by maloney.adam

4 minutes ago, fathom said:

People really need to listen to Harold and Stoney more 

But didn’t Harold say they were going to spend money this offseason? I don’t remember.

6 minutes ago, southsideirish71 said:

I dont want my 3rd starter in the playoffs being those guys.  This is the crux of the issue.  We have to play matchup games.  We need high end pitching to get past the different rounds of the playoffs.  We cant count on Cease/Reylo/Kopech yet.  So right now we are a starter short to compete against the elite of the AL.  

 

Richards and Archer have upside, and Odorizzi is a solid 3. It's not the worst thing in the world. The Sox have a killer offense so they can make up for some of their SP deficiencies. 

Edited December 2, 20205 yr by Jack Parkman

Trade for Snell

Sign Joc or JBJ

Sign Richards or Quintana 

boom

19 minutes ago, southsider2k5 said:

So much for signing Tony being a sign that we were going to spend.

Paying for Tony’s lawyers adds up.

3 minutes ago, maloney.adam said:

But didn’t Harold say they were going to spend money this offseason? I don’t remember.

Yes but that Jerry didn’t want to spend big on free agency